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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 11:25:33 +0300 (EETDST)
From: Mikko Makela <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: speed issues - (fwd)

Forwarded message:
>

>     Hi,
>         it seems to be faster to use
>         shared vars in statements than passing
>         args through the parameters
>
>         I just thought it would be the other way around
>         thats all really.
>             Anyone have any comments?
>
>                 Brett

I guess that's because when you use parameters, memory must be reserved
for them and values copied to reserved locations. It's like that in
any language when using "call-by-value"-parameters. Shared variables
mean "call-by-reference"-variables, so no reserving/copying is needed.

-Mikko
From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:04 1995
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 95 10:19:01 +0100
From: Vincent TORTEL <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: ABC 2.0

[This message is converted from WPS-PLUS to ASCII]


            What about ABC 2.0 ?
    Will this major release be soon available ? Simon had told me
about March... We are April...

From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:04 1995
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 14:30:29 +0000
From: Colin Saunders <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Colours on A1200


Dear All,

I have a program written on the A500 that loads in a palette from an
.IFF file.

The question is what commands will / will not work on the A1200 aswell
as the A500? I don't have access to an A1200 (sob sob - ED) so want to
be "reasonably" sure it'll work when I send it to a friend who has an
A1200.

Another thing is this: I had to use some strange trick where I load
the palette when in AMIGA mode (obviously), store the values in 3
arrays, go into BLITZ and then use the stored values to update the
"BLITZ" palette - otherwise it got corrupted going from AMIGA to
BLITZ! - any ideas as to a cleaner way to do this?

    Thanks,

        colin.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:04 1995
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 95 02:12:12 +1300
From: Brett Cooper <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: RITrackDisk Library

Hello,

I still have not got my menus sorted out but that's another story. This time
I woundering if any one has used the Subject library.  I can't get it going.
This is basicly what I have tryed,  with out any luck.

drive.w = 0                ; testing on DF0:

InitBank 0,(11*512),2            ; buffer for the track (in CHIP mem)

If  OpenDisk(drive)
   MotorOn drive            ; and the light drive light goes

;   For track.w= 0 To 159        ; I tryed to format a disk.
;     FormatTrack drive,track,Bank(0),1    ; but it
;   Next                ; do not work for me

   ReadSector drive,0,Bank(0),11    ; So I tryed to get just one track

   MotorOff drive
   CloseDisk(drive)
Else
    GTSetString #W,#STATUS,"Unable to find that disk drive"
EndIf

When I examine the track (with that cool RI debuger V1.21 - is that the newest?)
I find it contains heaps of zero's, so I think it does not work.

Just thought I would tell you all.  Thanks for your time.

Brett  (Anyone think my tag is strange? - I love it)
[e-mail]  (Brett Cooper)
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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:04 1995
Date: 05 Apr 95 14:24:34 CET
From: Stephan Kortleven <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: NeilsReqToolsLib

Hello All,

          does anybody know Neil O'Rourke is still supporting his great
Reqtoolslib. I was wondering there is any kind of update of this Reqtoolslib
since the release in BUM7. There is a Enforcer hit in his RTEZGetString command
when selecting Cancel or a empty string is been given by the user. The overscan
checkbox from his screenmodeselector gives always zero unless its position has
been changed or not.

        _
    /X\
   // \\ -
  (BLITZ) If you like the real world !
   \\ // --
    \X/ _

Requestor V2.x

... Yes ! This is Belgium calling. ;-)


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:04 1995
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 1995 12:57:12 +0200
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Screen bug

Can anyone help me with this problem?

I'm using Blitz V1.7 in Amiga mode on my A1200.  Usually I open one
  or more screens, use ShowTitle_ to kill the title line, then open
  various windows using gadgets and menus simultaneously.

An intermittent but serious bug occurs when the screen occasionally loses
  touch with its bitmap.  The effect is that gadgets appear to the
  right of their "real" position, while menus appear to the left.  It
  happens both running under Blitz and in standalone versions.  Usually
  the program can be quit but memory will not be freed.

Any solution would be greatly appreciated.

By the  way, there may very well be a great advertisement for
  seawater magnesia attached to this.  Such is the price of my
  Internet access.  If you like seawater magnesia, well it really
  is the best!







From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:04 1995
Date: 06 Apr 95 17:59:17 +0000
From: James Savage <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: RIEncryp & shape bug


Hullo there [e-mail],

On 5 April 95 you murmered to All about the gothic subject of 'RIEncryp & shape
bug', and I was just thinking...

 > On 3 Apr 1995, James Savage wrote:

 > I'm trying to use RIEncrypt lib to encrypt images, but I'm having trouble
 > with the length parameter coz I don't know how big they are in ram. Any
 > ideas?

 > Encrypt images in what form?  Are these images IFF files loaded into
 > memory?  Or bitmaps?

IFFs - 256 colour ones. I'd use shapes but 256 colour shapes go a bit, well,
kak.

 > If they're IFFs, then you can find the length of the iff files by
 > getting the longword 4 bytes into the file and adding 8 to it.

Thanks. Hmmm, not very elegant that. Maybe I'll use PCF lib, if somebody has
it?

 > Also, I've found a bug in gtshape and shapegadget commands. When used with
 > INCBINed shapes, every gadget is the same image, even when I use getashape
 > to cut them out. The shapes are 2 bitplane 24x12 images.

 > The old GTLib was very shit in the way it handled shape gadgets.  But
 > these should be okay in the latest update to GTLib.  There certainly

I get the same bug using ShapeGadget too.

 > shouldn't be any problem with grabbing the shapes from an INCBIN
 > (assuming the DecodeShapes command is working (or are you using
 > CludgeShapes?)).

I tried DecodeShapes and now I use (snipped code) -

****

.incshapes
   BitMap 0,120,12,2
   DecodeILBM 0,?mkeys
   Use BitMap 0
   GetaShape 0, 0,0,24,12
   GetaShape 1,24,0,24,12
   GetaShape 2,48,0,24,12
   GetaShape 3,72,0,24,12
   GetaShape 4,96,0,24,12
Return

.drawkeyboard
   GTShape 0,$41,xpos,ypos,0,4 : xpos = 400
   GTShape 0,$4C,xpos,ypos,0,0 : xpos = xpos + width + 48
   GTShape 0,$4F,xpos,ypos,0,1 : xpos = xpos + width
   GTShape 0,$4D,xpos,ypos,0,2 : xpos = xpos + width
   GTShape 0,$4E,xpos,ypos,0,3 : xpos = xpos + width + 24
Return

End

mkeys: IncBin "M-keys.br"

****

And every GTshape gadget uses shape 0, regardless of the actual number! Any
ideas?

Unpleasant Dreams...

James  founder of GOTHSOFT DEV  and  ////\oo/\\\\ net.goth


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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:04 1995
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 08:19:02 +1000 (EST)
From: tom duncan <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Poly Problem

Hi all,
    Have been playing with the Poly and PolyF functions.
Here is a tiny bit of code for anyone to try.
It works as a Poly function but refuses to fill as a polyf. It seems as
if a horizontal line will not work in this setup.
If I move the right points down a tad all works OK. Any ideas anyone.

Screen 0,0,0,320,256,4,0,"",2,1
ScreensBitMap 0,0
Window 0,0,0,320,256,$1800,"",2,1

Dim P.w(15)

For a.b=0 To 15
   Read z.w : P(a)=z+50
Next
Poly  8,&P(0),2
Polyf 8,&P(0),3
MouseWait
End


;
; Left Arrow
;
Data.w 0,50,50,0,50,20,100,20,100,80,50,80,50,100,0,50


Thanks to anyone that can help. (Acid hint, hint)


--
Tom Duncan [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:04 1995
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 14:38:43 +1000 (EST)
From: Brett Johansen <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: optimisations - lack of!!!



    hello again ,
        from what I can see Blitz does no optimization at all!!!

    I was amazed to find that constants are not precalculated!!!

        ie.  x = 34 + 67

        produces asm:

            move.l #34,d0
            move.l #67,d1
            add.l d0,d1
            move.l d1,addr x

    34 + 67 should be calculated at run time - I couldn't believe this
    one. I mean leaving them to be calculated by the compiler makes it
    more readable - you can see how you got that value (doesnt happen)
        should be:
            move.l #101,addr x

        I am writing a shoot'emup game - fairly developed and I
    have spent ages finding better algorithms etc to make it run fine
    on a 2000, I use a 1200.  (and succeeded)
        But now I have started converting the crucial routines
    to asm because by doing my own optimisation I can speed it up
    at least to twice as fast!!(I was giving blitz more credit before)

    Also there is no reuse of registers - even if the variable is in
        the cpu it is reloaded every time it is needed. :(

        Even so these optimisations can be easily fixed when
    they get around to it. Maybe thats what they're doing now ?

        But Blitz is still a great language to develop in, no
        questions about that.

                Brett Johansen
---

        current project:  AtomHead (horizontal shootemup) %50


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:04 1995
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 95 09:34:54 EET
From: Lauri Ojansivu <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: ELMORE INCLIB Registration?

In the beginning of 1995 (or late '94) I ordered Elmore's inclib (BUM7),
sending money, disk etc. for registration, but I have received nothing yet.. same goes for Jarmo Kajonlinna ([e-mail]) who also ordered it. If you know where I could find him (e-mail/snailmail) please tell me?

-Lare (Lauri Ojansivu, [e-mail])

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:04 1995
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 11:52:14 +0100 (BST)
From: Big Will Riker <[e-mail]>
To: blitzlist <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: TrackDisk library


Yeah, FormatTrack does not work. I have not fixed it as I
thought that nobody used this library, but I'll fix it in the
next couple of days and upload to aminet.

STeve.
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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:04 1995
Date: 07 Apr 95 17:28:05 +0000
From: James Savage <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Shareware


Hullo there [e-mail],

On 5 April 95 you murmered to All about the gothic subject of 'Shareware', and
I was just thinking...

 > Has anyone else released software as shareware onto Aminet, and if so
 > what sort of response (e.g. quiries & registrations) have people had?

I have, um, 5 things. I've had about 4 'thanks' and 2 registrations so far. (in
4 months)

Unpleasant Dreams...

James  founder of GOTHSOFT DEV  and  ////\oo/\\\\ net.goth


... I'll write no line before its time!

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:04 1995
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 12:40:26 +1200 (NZST)
From: Simon or Mark <[e-mail]>
To: tom duncan <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Poly Problem

The problem I think is that polyf will only work with convex shapes so
your arrow will need to be made of two polygons. Either that or we could
rewrite the polyf command to be 7 times as slow to handle such
things... as if:)


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:04 1995
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 00:51:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tom Kruk <[e-mail]>
To: MDI <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Blitz?



On Thu, 30 Mar 1995, MDI wrote:

MDI> I have not yet got Blitz Basic but would like to start a small project
MDI> with it.  First off I would like to know just what blitz can do.
MDI> Can it play mods?

yes

MDI>  Can sounds be saved in banks like Amos?

even better. with INCBIN (more like assembler) YET EASY.

MDI>  Does it support HAM-8?

yes

MDI> Does it allow you to work with AGA sprites?

yes

MDI> Does it have editors like Amos for
MDI> sprites

editors for shapes (you choose if they can be sprites or bobs)

MDI> sound, and icon?

for what? Thats not Blitz specific. There are lots of programs out there
only AMOS was thinking that they NEED to win you over with lots of
bullshit editors that you already have. Or are available everywere.
Blitz didnt go and re invent the wheel of things that were already perfected.
It gives a solid tool for any job!

And if you say AMOS one more time, i'll slap you silly. Hehehehhehehehehe

AMOS doesn't compare. so dont insult blitz. This is from (me) an ex-amos
coder. Amos limited doesnt give you much to grow. its like SCALA or
AMIGA VISION rather that a programming powerhouse that Blitz iz.

If that doesn't satisfy you, here are more reasons

* Smaller executables than Amos by at least 40k
* Less Frills, More Speed
* Compiler that comes in standard. NO INTERPRATER
* You always see fast action because its ALWAYS compiled
* No shitty BANKS.. REAL Techinques that asm programmers use INCBIN
* Support like crazy...
* You can actually talk with the makers (MARK & SIMON) HERE !!!
* Blitz is just more power! Faster! And cooler!

+++



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:04 1995
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 13:05:59 +0300 (EETDST)
From: "Ott M. Aaloe" <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Size of executable...

Hi!

I know there's been discussions about subject but I just though
perhaps there is some cure for it now...thing that worries me
is...yes, the size of executable - in my case it's a bit over 400 K
and grows all the time (and no, there are no INCBINS)...so I guess
A500 users with .5 M ram can forget about my project ;) if the memory
is full of program itself...One way to make it smaller is of course
try to optimize basic code but that's not enough. As far as I know
Blitz includes the whole library if only one command is used from
it...so perhaps this can be avoided somehow?  Any ides/suggestions?


                                Ott M. Aaloe
                                [e-mail]
                                ** The Farm **


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:04 1995
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 07:36:07 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Richard T. Elmore" <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Problems receiving Elmore's IncludeLib?


This is a lesson in backing up crucial files:

I offered the full INCLUDE-library for a small registration fee in BUM7,
and have had a very good response.  In order to keep up with the number
of people who registered, I decided to enter all the names and addresses
into a database program.  Having done this, I begin mailing the
registered version of the INCLUDE library to those who'd paid for it.
(Thank all of you!)

Unfortunately, the database program crashed (a full-blown GURU) during a
disk-write, and the database file was reduced to zero-bytes (after the
disk finally validated.)

I have went through as many envelopes' return-addresses as I could in
order to reply, but there are many who've registered that I have no way
to contact as of now.

This situation causes some serious problems: I don't have any way to
contact those who've registered except here in a public post, and I don't
have any way of determining whether those who respond have actually
registered or not.

I am left with only one alternative.  I am asking that those of you
who've registered respond in e-mail and tell me how you'd like the
Elmore-Include library to be sent to you (e-mail, s-mail address, etc.)

This would obviously be a chance for people to be dishonest and get the
Include-library for free, but I guess I have no alternative.  I am just
asking that those who really *have* paid for the include-library to
respond, and others out there to resist the urge to tell me you have if
you really didn't.  I won't be able to tell the difference, but if too
many dishonest people respond, I won't be able to afford to send copies
of the library to those who have paid for it.

Please be honest, people!


I deeply apologize for the inconvenience, and to partly compensate for the
long wait, etc.  I will be offering other registered-shareware for FREE
along with the INCLUDE-Library.   Thank you!


+-----------------+
|Richard T. Elmore|
+-----------------+


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:04 1995
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 95 16:26:51 GMT
From: Mike Clarke <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Files and arrays problem.


Hi all, got a bit of a problem.

Files:
Is there a way a reading a normal file randomly. All I want to do is
be able to read a normal ascii file from any position in the file, and
I don't want to do a ReadMem and read the whole file into memory.

Arrays:
Is there a way freeing arrays (list or normal) after they have been
DIMmed, or am I going to have to do an AllocMem?

Cheers.


       ==Mike Clarke==
Home:   [e-mail]
Work: [e-mail] (musician)
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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:04 1995
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 15:00:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: "W.L. McGraw" <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Size of Executables

There have been some discussion on the list about the size of Blitz
executable files. Well the bottom line is that Amiga programmers
can not forever make programs that will run on machines with just
512K of ram. The Mac and PC are running 8 meg and a hard drive for new
software. What we need for the Amiga is a minimum hardware standard that
all users must achieve. For example, 1 meg chip ram, 2 meg total ram,
Kickstart 2.0 and a hard drive would be the minimum hardware standard.
I think this would allow programmers to produce better software.





From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:04 1995
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 95 18:39:25 EST
From: Phillip Eastham <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: CLI parameter's.

Hi All,

I seem to have lost the patch to cliargslib.obj which fixes the problem
with parameter passing to Blitz programs.

If some kind sould could e-mail me the fix, I would be most appreciative.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:04 1995
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 16:58:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Josh Farley <[e-mail]>
To: Brett Johansen <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: optimisations - lack of!!!



On Fri, 7 Apr 1995, Brett Johansen wrote:

>         from what I can see Blitz does no optimization at all!!!
>     I was amazed to find that constants are not precalculated!!!
>
>         ie.  x = 34 + 67

  That's not a constant, it's a variable... if you did:

                #x = 101

  That should be converted as you're looking for...

  Why would you put x = 34 + 67 , instead of x = 101 ???

  Blitz optimizes alot, but it's not a mind reader...

>         But now I have started converting the crucial routines
>     to asm because by doing my own optimisation I can speed it up
>     at least to twice as fast!!(I was giving blitz more credit before)

  Your Blitz code, if it looks like the above, can probably be optimized
as well...

  Personally, I'd much rather see a new version of Ted... any hope Simon?

  Heck, I hereby volunteer to write the darned thing, it'd help me out so
much that it'd be worth the time spent! :)

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:05 1995
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 10:06:51 +1200 (NZST)
From: Simon or Mark <[e-mail]>
To: Phillip Eastham <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Whats wrong here?

What the heck is screen mode $ffff8000???

Simon




From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:05 1995
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 18:12:07 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Richard T. Elmore" <[e-mail]>
To: Brett Johansen <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: optimisations - lack of!!!

On Fri, 7 Apr 1995, Brett Johansen wrote:

> Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 14:38:43 +1000 (EST)
> From: Brett Johansen <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: optimisations - lack of!!!
>
>
>
>     hello again ,
>         from what I can see Blitz does no optimization at all!!!
>
>     I was amazed to find that constants are not precalculated!!!
>
>         ie.  x = 34 + 67
>
>         produces asm:
>
>             move.l #34,d0
>             move.l #67,d1
>             add.l d0,d1
>             move.l d1,addr x


Try x=(34+67)


>
>     34 + 67 should be calculated at run time - I couldn't believe this
>     one. I mean leaving them to be calculated by the compiler makes it
>     more readable - you can see how you got that value (doesnt happen)
>         should be:
>             move.l #101,addr x
>
>         I am writing a shoot'emup game - fairly developed and I
>     have spent ages finding better algorithms etc to make it run fine
>     on a 2000, I use a 1200.  (and succeeded)
>         But now I have started converting the crucial routines
>     to asm because by doing my own optimisation I can speed it up
>     at least to twice as fast!!(I was giving blitz more credit before)
>
>     Also there is no reuse of registers - even if the variable is in
>         the cpu it is reloaded every time it is needed. :(

True enough, but I can't see how a modular compiler could really get
around this and still be easy to make 3rd-party libraries, etc. for...
How could a programmer know what variable was "supposed" to be in d5?
A standard had to be developed so that programmers of 3rd-party libraries
would have a way of knowing where all their information is.  Blitz isn't
the only one at fault anyway, disassemble a few "C" or "Pascal" programs
if you really want to be disgusted.



>         Even so these optimisations can be easily fixed when
>     they get around to it. Maybe thats what they're doing now ?
>
>         But Blitz is still a great language to develop in, no
>         questions about that.
>
>                 Brett Johansen
> ---
>
>         current project:  AtomHead (horizontal shootemup) %50
>
>
>

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:05 1995
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 95 19:33:43 EST
From: Phillip Eastham <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Whats wrong here?

Hi All,

I am currently suffering a crippeling problem with my blitz programs and I
can't figure out why.

Here is some code:

LoadFont 0,"IBM.Font",8
Use IntuiFont 0
WBStartup
Screen 0,0,0,640,256,2,$FFFF8000,"A screen",1,2
Window 9,10,20,15,15,$1D00,"",1,0
CatchDosErrs
CloseWindow 9
CloseScreen 0


Now when I compile this, it runs, but causes heeps of enforcer hits. When I
run it a second time, I get a GURU 0100000F. From then on, it seems to
cause the same guru, even after a reboot.

I first thought it might be the LoadFont command, as when I removed it, the
program seemed to run, but then I shortened the screen title and that also
seemed to fix it.

I don't know wether I have somehow gotten a buggy object file or not. I
found a buggy windowslib.obj file that was causing problems, but this is a
new problem.

Does anyone have any ideas?

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:05 1995
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 09:23:04 GMT-1DFT
From: Jurgen Valks <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Resolution Question


I have a simple question:

can I display a 640*512*8 hires-interlaced with the new display
library in Blitz mode ????



Greetings from,

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:05 1995
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 09:33:39 +0000
From: Colin Saunders <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Files and arrays problem.


MikeC,

> Files:
> Is there a way a reading a normal file randomly. All I want to do is
> be able to read a normal ascii file from any position in the file, and
> I don't want to do a ReadMem and read the whole file into memory.

I've used AllocMem_ to scan a file... As far as I can remember there
was some way of getting to a given posn and then reading in a small
part of the the file - even just one byte... I'll check my code...

    Thanks,

        colin.


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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:05 1995
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 11:37:30 +0100 (BST)
From: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
To: "Ott M. Aaloe" <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Size of executable...

On Sun, 9 Apr 1995, Ott M. Aaloe wrote:

> I know there's been discussions about subject but I just though
> perhaps there is some cure for it now...thing that worries me
> is...yes, the size of executable - in my case it's a bit over 400 K
> and grows all the time (and no, there are no INCBINS)...so I guess
> A500 users with .5 M ram can forget about my project ;) if the memory
> is full of program itself...One way to make it smaller is of course
> try to optimize basic code but that's not enough. As far as I know
> Blitz includes the whole library if only one command is used from
> it...so perhaps this can be avoided somehow?  Any ides/suggestions?

I can tell you what I do (e.g. for the debugger, which is hideously big
anyway).  If I need only one command from a lib (and its not one of my
libs) then I first try and write it myself (easy in the case of a command
like CheckAGA - Elmorelib).  If I can't be bothered to rewrite, or
haven't the time BUT have the source then I'll knick a little code
(apologies :) ) from the lib and chuck it in a temporary lib of its own.
This as far as I can tell is the only way to stop the whole library
growing in size to massive proportions.

Can't imagine what Roketz (I assume you're converting that) must be
doing if the code is 400k...  BIG program or what (our game is only 400k
with about 150k of incbined shapes and graphics).

Hey - any one out there got any spare A500s?  Wanna lend us some test
machines? :)


Steve Mc.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:05 1995
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 11:40:42 +0100 (BST)
From: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
To: Blitzlist <[e-mail]>
Subject: TED bug...

Hi,
   anyone else noticed this rather lethal bug in Ted?  You know - the bug
that completely crashes your machine....? :)

   If you haven't then try the following:

    1) Load up TED
    2) Load in a big source file
    3) Move to half way down the file
    4) Now drag the Ted screen to half way down the display
    5) Start dragging out a block
    6) Whilst dragging out the block move the mouse pointer vertically
      above the Ted screen
    7) Ask yourself why your Amiga suddenly displays a blank screen
      locks up completely.

Maybe not everyone has seen/gets this bug - but it seems pretty serious
to me.  Maybe this bug is only with the latest version of Ted as well?


Steve Mc.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:05 1995
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 12:03:15 +0100 (BST)
From: Big Will Riker <[e-mail]>
To: blitzlist <[e-mail]>
Subject: some pretty weird Blitz bugs..


I was writing a AppIcon program the other day, and it waited
for an event of $800000 or another thing happening..

it was basically..

    Repeat
      ev.l=WaitEvent
          cx.l=ExchangeMessage
          NPrint Hex$(ev)
        Until ev or cx

Now, imagine my surprise when $800000 was printed but it didnt
exit the repeat until loop.
Sooo, I called up the debugger, and brought up an assembly listing
and I saw that it only compares the lower word of each variable
(and $800000 is in the upper word) if I dont specifically
specify an equality value, so if I had written
    Repeat
      ev.l=WaitEvent
          cx.l=ExchangeMessage
        Until ev<>0 or cx<>0

it would work.

Anyone else come across this?
Steve.
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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:05 1995
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 12:05:22 +0100 (BST)
From: Big Will Riker <[e-mail]>
To: blitzlist <[e-mail]>
Subject: Another weird blitz bug


Ok people, try this at home (ask a grown-up to help you)


Function.w a{var.w}
  NPrint var
  Function Return var*2
End Function

Function.w b{var.w}
  NPrint "Oh no! ",var
  Function Return var*10
End Function

main:
c{10}


Before you ask, yes it should be c{10} even though there is no
such function as c{}...

And the ouptut is
Oh no! 10
100

Jeez...talk about stupid eh?


Steve.
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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:05 1995
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 12:53:09 +0100 (BST)
From: Pink <[e-mail]>
To: The Blitz list <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Tan command (Brian)

HI,

  Since I suggested using Sin and Cos to find the Tan function I have
tested the Tan function at home and had no problems.  Maybe it`s
something you`re doing:)  I guess you realise that the Tan function
expects the angle to be in Radians, NOT in degrees.  That means to find
the Tan of an angle x, and put it in y, you have to do :

y=Tan(x*Pi/180)

  I hope that helped.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:05 1995
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 13:10:08 +0100 (BST)
From: Pink <[e-mail]>
To: The Blitz list <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Files and array problem

On Sunday 9th April Mike Clark Wrote

> Hi all, got a bit of a problem.
>
> Files:
> Is there a way a reading a normal file randomly. All I want to do is
> be able to read a normal ascii file from any position in the file, and
> I don't want to do a ReadMem and read the whole file into memory.
>
  Theres a command called FileSeek with which you can move to any position
in the file.  Look in your Blitz manual for details of how to use it.

> Arrays:
> Is there a way freeing arrays (list or normal) after they have been
> DIMmed, or am I going to have to do an AllocMem?
>

  There isn`t a specific command to free an array, but arrays can be
re-dimmed.  This means that you could re-dim (Just use the Dim command
again with the same variable name) the array with a size of 0, which
will automatically free the old array, and allocate 0 bytes for the new
array.

> Cheers.
>

Thats OK.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:05 1995
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 13:35:44 +0100 (BST)
From: Pink <[e-mail]>
To: The Blitz list <[e-mail]>
Subject: Finished Proggy

I`ve recently finished a program to generate mazes.  I`ve posted it on
Aminet under utils/misc/DansMazes1.14.lha as MailWare.  So far in the
last two weeks I`ve had two mails, both of which claim their kids like
it, though it could also be used to generate mazes for a game if anyone
wants to contact me.  It has the following features :

o Creates mazes upto 1000 by 1000 (could be more, but this seems big enough)
o Mazes have only one route through, and all parts of the maze are accesible
o Mazes can be saved in a packed or unpacked format (packed is 1/4 of size!)
o Mazes can be viewed in 2D or 3D
o 2D mazes can be saved as a bitmap
o Configuration via icon information

Thats about it I think.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:05 1995
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 06:41:31 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Richard T. Elmore" <[e-mail]>
To: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
Cc: Blitzlist <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: TED bug...

On Mon, 10 Apr 1995, Stephen McNamara wrote:

>    anyone else noticed this rather lethal bug in Ted?  You know - the bug
> that completely crashes your machine....? :)
>
>    If you haven't then try the following:
>
>     1) Load up TED
>     2) Load in a big source file
>     3) Move to half way down the file
>     4) Now drag the Ted screen to half way down the display
>     5) Start dragging out a block
>     6) Whilst dragging out the block move the mouse pointer vertically
>       above the Ted screen
>     7) Ask yourself why your Amiga suddenly displays a blank screen
>       locks up completely.
>

That bug has been there since the first TED I ever used... Also, for
another, real hideous bug--- Try drag-selecting some text like described
above, and before releasing the button, try entering a
keyboard-menu-shortcut like Amiga-C or something....  Streams of
continuous Enforcer hits as TED goes through all your memory munging
everything it encounters---  In a few seconds an unstoppable, no "Suspend
or Reboot" GURU greets you....  This one has been around since the first
TED as well....





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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:05 1995
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 14:53:28 +0100 (BST)
From: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
To: "Richard T. Elmore" <[e-mail]>
Cc: Blitzlist <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: TED bug...

On Mon, 10 Apr 1995, Richard T. Elmore wrote:

> On Mon, 10 Apr 1995, Stephen McNamara wrote:
>
> >    anyone else noticed this rather lethal bug in Ted?  You know - the bug
> > that completely crashes your machine....? :)
>
> That bug has been there since the first TED I ever used... Also, for
> another, real hideous bug--- Try drag-selecting some text like described
> above, and before releasing the button, try entering a
> keyboard-menu-shortcut like Amiga-C or something....  Streams of
> continuous Enforcer hits as TED goes through all your memory munging
> everything it encounters---  In a few seconds an unstoppable, no "Suspend
> or Reboot" GURU greets you....  This one has been around since the first
> TED as well....

Ouch!  That sounds well nasty.

I wonder if other people know of any other Blitz & Ted 'features'?


Steve Mc.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:05 1995
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 07:53:37 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Richard T. Elmore" <[e-mail]>
To: Pink <[e-mail]>
Cc: The Blitz list <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Files and array problem

On Mon, 10 Apr 1995, Pink wrote:

>   There isn`t a specific command to free an array, but arrays can be
> re-dimmed.  This means that you could re-dim (Just use the Dim command
> again with the same variable name) the array with a size of 0, which
> will automatically free the old array, and allocate 0 bytes for the new
> array.

I use this technique myself, but it doesn't actually allocate zero
bytes-- remember element zero is still available and it takes up space.
If you have an array of longs (4-bytes a piece) and dim n.l(0) the array
would take up 4 bytes, plus the array header size (which I think is 8 or
12 bytes.)

Still, it's the next-best-thing for not being able to ERASE an array!



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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:05 1995
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 15:31:08 +0100 (BST)
From: Pink <[e-mail]>
To: The Blitz list <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: RE: Finished proggy


On Mon, 10 Apr 1995, Steve wrote:

> Can it create mazes such that there is never an empty space
> of 2x2 squares?
>
> eg. (#=wall)
> ** should never happen
>
> #############
> # #**# #  # #
> # #**#   ## #
> # ## ### #  #
> # #  # # ####
> #############
>
> If so, then I think I could use it for my 8 player dungeon
> master type game..
>
> Steve.

Yes, it can! The only restriction at the moment is that the only path through
is from the top to the bottom, with random positions for both.  The algorithm
could be altered so the position at the top is chosen, but it would be VERY
difficult to choose the end position.  I.E.

+-+-+ +-+-+
|   |     |
+ + +-+-+ +
| |       |
+-+-+-+ + +
|     | | |
+ +-+ + + +
|   |   | |
+-+ +-+-+-+

NOTE This was NOT produced using the program, but it IS the type of thing
to expect, though the mazes are a LOT harder to solve when they get upto
1000 by 1000:)  One thing to note is the way the mazes are created.  My
mazes are made by placing walls in between blocks, whereas from your
diagram it looks as though yours are made by placing completely solid blocks.
If you`re not sure what I mean then download the prog and see, the archive is
only about 45K.


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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:05 1995
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 15:56:49 +0000
From: Colin Saunders <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Graphics Manager


Dear All,

Okay, so I finally finished the 1.0 Beta version of my Graphics Manager. The
question is what do I do next....? Whats the best way to make it available to
any one who might just want to have a look...

Don't hold your breath in expectation tho' at the moment "it works".. and thats
about it! It basically allows you (as posted before?) to:

    o   Load in Shapes files.

    o   "Manipulate" the Shapes using these ops:
        -   Copy and Cut
        -   X Flip and Y Flip
        -   L Rotate and R Rotate

    o   Save (some of) Shapes.

It is a Manager not an Editor... for now?

    Thanks,

        Colin.


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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:05 1995
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 95 20:03 BST-1
From: Graham Kennedy <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Files and arrays problem.

In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>

>>Files:
>>Is there a way a reading a normal file randomly. All I want to do is
>>be able to read a normal ascii file from any position in the file, and
>>I don't want to do a ReadMem and read the whole file into memory.
>Simple fix to this one, you need the command FileSeek, (page 7-6 in the
>manual) Syntax is
>
>    FileSeek filenumber,position
>
>The position is the byte offset from the start of the file.
>you can then use any of the usual input functions (I'd recommend
>something like a$=inkey$(1) to read the file a byte at a time)
>
>
>>Arrays:
>>Is there a way freeing arrays (list or normal) after they have been
>>DIMmed, or am I going to have to do an AllocMem?
>It seems you can do a 'DIM myarray(0)' but not sure if this really
>frees up memory or not.
>
>Hope this helps

Graham K.


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:05 1995
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 16:27:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tom Kruk <[e-mail]>
To: "W.L. McGraw" <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Size of Executables



On Sun, 9 Apr 1995, W.L. McGraw wrote:

> There have been some discussion on the list about the size of Blitz
> executable files. Well the bottom line is that Amiga programmers
> can not forever make programs that will run on machines with just
> 512K of ram. The Mac and PC are running 8 meg and a hard drive for new
> software. What we need for the Amiga is a minimum hardware standard that
*> all users must achieve. For example, 1 meg chip ram, 2 meg total ram,
*> Kickstart 2.0 and a hard drive would be the minimum hardware standard.
*> I think this would allow programmers to produce better software.
>
>
  YEAH! I AGREE! Whats the sense. You dont make records anymore right?
  You Make CDs... Why? Anyone who is a REAL Music lover has a CD Player.

  Same analogy goes to the computer. If you are a real user, you have
  AT LEAST: 2.0 and a HD !




From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:05 1995
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 13:42:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Josh Farley <[e-mail]>
To: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
Cc: Blitzlist <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: TED bug...



On Mon, 10 Apr 1995, Stephen McNamara wrote:

>    anyone else noticed this rather lethal bug in Ted?  You know - the bug
> that completely crashes your machine....? :)
>
> Maybe not everyone has seen/gets this bug - but it seems pretty serious
> to me.  Maybe this bug is only with the latest version of Ted as well?

  Oh, I could run off a list of 10 horrible bugs in Ted, given a little
time... here's a few...

1) You know how Ted clones the WB screen?  Well, some WB screen sizes
cause Ted to crash horribly...

2) I don't remember exactly how this one works, but you can cause crashes
by playing with the menus as you're selecting a block of text...

3) That copperlist in the menu bar really makes the display look hideous
if you drag the screen up and down, with other screens in front...

4) The filerequester moves to a garbage path if you click too quickly
(like just as the first entry is appearing)...

5) why does the entire screen have to update almost any time you do
anything with a block of text marked?

I could go on and on, but the point is that Ted is dragging Blitz down...
it makes a powerful language look like a hack... Someone's got to rewrite
it...

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:05 1995
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 95 02:51:34 GMT
From: Mike Clarke <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: Files and array problem

Hi all again,
Cheers for the answers. I can't believe that I just didn't see the
FileSeek command. How could I miss it? It takes up a whole page!

Arrays: I think I'll be using an AllocMem after all.

Ta.



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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:05 1995
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 03:19:45 -0600 (MDT)
From: Hesham Amiri <[e-mail]>
To: Pink <[e-mail]>
Cc: The Blitz list <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Finished Proggy

On Mon, 10 Apr 1995, Pink wrote:

> I`ve recently finished a program to generate mazes.  I`ve posted it on
> Aminet under utils/misc/DansMazes1.14.lha as MailWare.  So far in the
> last two weeks I`ve had two mails, both of which claim their kids like
> it, though it could also be used to generate mazes for a game if anyone
> wants to contact me.  It has the following features :
>
> o Creates mazes upto 1000 by 1000 (could be more, but this seems big enough)
> o Mazes have only one route through, and all parts of the maze are accesible
> o Mazes can be saved in a packed or unpacked format (packed is 1/4 of size!)
> o Mazes can be viewed in 2D or 3D
> o 2D mazes can be saved as a bitmap
> o Configuration via icon information
>
> Thats about it I think.

Could you just create the map of the maze and supply some functions
to read and move through the maze ?
BTW, can anybody tell me if there is a way to link c and Blitz code ?

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:05 1995
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 95 09:25:18 BST
From: M Cooper <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: re:Size of Executables

Tom MkKruk wrote:

"If you are a real user, you have at least 2Meg and a HD"
or something along those lines.

Well, I've only got an A500 with 1Meg and two floppy drives, due to
financial pressures, and I've still managed to develop a ray-tracing
system on it.
Not a real user?
What have you done with your dream machine, Tom?

Mike



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:05 1995
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 10:26:18 +0100
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Graphics Manager

>
>Dear All,
>
>Okay, so I finally finished the 1.0 Beta version of my Graphics Manager. The
>question is what do I do next....? Whats the best way to make it available to
>any one who might just want to have a look...
>
>Don't hold your breath in expectation tho' at the moment "it works".. and thats
>about it! It basically allows you (as posted before?) to:
>
>    o   Load in Shapes files.
>
>    o   "Manipulate" the Shapes using these ops:
>        -   Copy and Cut
>        -   X Flip and Y Flip
>        -   L Rotate and R Rotate
>
>    o   Save (some of) Shapes.
>
>It is a Manager not an Editor... for now?
>
>    Thanks,
>
>        Colin.

Upload it to the Blitz FTP site, or to one of the aminet sites.

Dave

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:05 1995
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 10:39:55 +0100
From: NIGEL HUGHES <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: TED bug...

In message <[e-mail]>,
    Josh Farley <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>
> On Tue, 11 Apr 1995, NIGEL HUGHES wrote:
>
> > This is so true, how many times have I heard people say Blitz seems like a
> > powerful language, but that editor sucks? Well quite a few I can tell you!
>
>   Me too... if they'd let me, I'd rewrite the thing myself!  But I can't
> do it without info on the internal workings (how it interfaces with the
> blitz program and the debugger, etc...

Maybe the new version... May be not.

> >     1) Multiple Edit Window
>
>   That would be nice...
>
> >     2) Lose the dumb copper list at the top
>
>   Definite... it actually causes crashes on some machines...

Mine for sure, I cannot work in my GFX card screen mode 8(

> >     3) Selectable screen modes
>
>   BIGGY! :)

BIG BIG BIG BIGGY 8)

> >     4) Run in WB if desired
>
>   Easy to do...
>
> >     5) Sensible editing, i.e Return=CR which breaks up lines etc.
>
>   Yeah, that bugs me too... perhaps let <Enter> not break up the line,
> for those who like that part...
>
> > That's it! Not a _hell_ of a lot really.
>
>   There's more, like font control, on-line help...

Well on-line help is nice, but yes font control. The thing is not a lot
of thought is required to fix these problems.

>   We could go on... and on... :)

And if people ar not careful, we just might 8)

Nigel Hughes


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:05 1995
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 11:12:43 +0100 (BST)
From: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
To: NIGEL HUGHES <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Ted stuff [was Re: TED bug...]

On Tue, 11 Apr 1995, NIGEL HUGHES wrote:

> > >     1) Multiple Edit Window
> >
> >   That would be nice...

Its a must really - its a pain in the arse loading several different
(memory eating) versions of the debugger. Esp. as each version must fit
Ted, Blitz2, Debugger & deflibs in memory at once - leaving not much left.

> > >     2) Lose the dumb copper list at the top
> >
> >   Definite... it actually causes crashes on some machines...
>
> Mine for sure, I cannot work in my GFX card screen mode 8(

Does suck a bit - removing it would make no diff. to the program at all.

> > >     3) Selectable screen modes
> >
> >   BIGGY! :)
>
> BIG BIG BIG BIGGY 8)

I'll leave this alone (since currently the debugger has no selector,
although you can hex edit the save config file to change the mode in the
latest version :) ).

> > >     4) Run in WB if desired
> >
> >   Easy to do...

Not important to me, but fairly easy to do.

> > >     5) Sensible editing, i.e Return=CR which breaks up lines etc.
> >
> >   Yeah, that bugs me too... perhaps let <Enter> not break up the line,
> > for those who like that part...

I think this should be left as it is - I have got so used to it that it'd
take me years to stop myself doing it :).  Although maybe get rid of it
to stop me making silly mistakes in Devpac and CED.

> And if people ar not careful, we just might 8)

no please Nigel - don't go on and on and on and on.... :)

Maybe Acid should stop thinking about MegaDrive and Jaguar etc and just
finish ABC.  Or at least hire someone to upgrade/rewrite Ted and finally
get Blitz2 released.


Steve Mc.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:05 1995
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 11:26:23 +0100 (BST)
From: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
To: Stephan Kortleven <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: NeilsReqToolsLib

On 5 Apr 1995, Stephan Kortleven wrote:

>           does anybody know Neil O'Rourke is still supporting his great
> Reqtoolslib. I was wondering there is any kind of update of this Reqtoolslib
> since the release in BUM7. There is a Enforcer hit in his RTEZGetString command
> when selecting Cancel or a empty string is been given by the user. The overscan
> checkbox from his screenmodeselector gives always zero unless its position has
> been changed or not.

I think the lib is no longer supported, but I'm sure the source was
uploaded to x2ftp so that people could upgrade it themselves - have a
look there.


Steve Mc.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:05 1995
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 08:41:37 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Richard T. Elmore" <[e-mail]>
To: Hesham Amiri <[e-mail]>
Cc: Pink <[e-mail]>, The Blitz list <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Finished Proggy

On Tue, 11 Apr 1995, Hesham Amiri wrote:

> BTW, can anybody tell me if there is a way to link c and Blitz code ?

There are a number of ways you could go about it-- depends I guess upon
what you are doing... Are you talking about ".o" files or
already-compiled executeables?  If you mean executeables, then here is a
suggestion that will work in most cases, as long as your "C" program is
only one HUNK:

Dig up a program called "BIN" I think it's on Aminet... The specific
program I have was written by Bruno Costa in 1989...  Let's say we're
trying to call a program originally called "cprog" from our blitz code.



-------------------------------------------------------------------------

<In CLI>
Bin cprog Blitz2:Includes/cprog.bin


<In Blitz2 Sourcecode>


;Your code here
NPrint "Just a test."


;Call the c-program...
JSR ?cprogbin

;End program
End


cprogbin:
INCBIN "Blitz2:Includes/cprog.bin"
Even




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Passing parameters might be a bit more difficult, but try playing with
placing a null-terminated string pointer in A0 before JSRing to the
binary program... I believe you also should put the length of the string
in D0.

The program's returncode (such as 20 for failure) will be returned in D0
on exit.

Caution: If the program supplies it's own WBStartup code, then you'll
probably have a crash if you provide it yourself for the Blitz program.

This is a clumsy way to do things, but it works, and is easier to explain
than trying to get ".o" files to work.





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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:06 1995
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 95 10:29:28 EST
From: Phillip Eastham <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Converting date string.

Hi All,

I need a routine that will convert a date string in the form of
'Tue 11 Apr 95' into the number of seconds since 1 Jan '78. The date string
will be different for each call, and has no relation to the current date.

Any ideas?

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:06 1995
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 12:47:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: "W.L. McGraw" <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: re: size of executables

Mike made a real good point about what you can do with an Amiga with 1 meg
and two floppy drives. Sounds like a good minimum standard to me. Just
proves that the Amiga is a great machine to use.


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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:06 1995
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 08:11:51 +1000 (EST)
From: neil o'rourke <[e-mail]>
To: Stephan Kortleven <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: NeilsReqToolsLib

Hi,

>           does anybody know Neil O'Rourke is still supporting his great
> Reqtoolslib. I was wondering there is any kind of update of this Reqtoolslib
> since the release in BUM7. There is a Enforcer hit in his RTEZGetString command
> when selecting Cancel or a empty string is been given by the user. The overscan
> checkbox from his screenmodeselector gives always zero unless its position has
> been changed or not.

Sorry, I've had to all but drop amiga development.  The source is on
x2ftp as NeilsLibs.lha, you might like to grab it and have a look there.

An enforcer hit seems to be nothing new for reqtools, but I'm dueced if
I can see where they are coming from.  My code was glue between blitz
and reqtools, but there could easily be some problems in it.

The source code is commented (mostly), so you shouldn't have much
trouble finding your way around.

Neil



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:06 1995
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 19:08:37 -0500 (CDT)
From: Maestria en Filosofia <[e-mail]>
To: "W.L. McGraw" <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: re: size of executables



On Tue, 11 Apr 1995, W.L. McGraw wrote:

> Mike made a real good point about what you can do with an Amiga with 1 meg
> and two floppy drives. Sounds like a good minimum standard to me. Just
> proves that the Amiga is a great machine to use.
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>                              no one special
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
   I have an Amiga 500 1 MB ChipRAM, OS 1.3, 1 drive, and BLITZ2 :).
   I am developing a Multimedia system for use with a touchscreen and
etc,etc. Course i want to upgrade to a 1200 at least but.... I live in
Mexico, and you know how we are  >;(

...GREETINGS !!!




From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:06 1995
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 00:34:32 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Pedro J. Cervantes Pintor" <[e-mail]>
To: Simon or Mark <[e-mail]>
Cc: Blitz Basic Mailing List <[e-mail]>
Subject: Interrupts and gosubs


I have a problem, i want to set up an interrupt (setint) from a
statement, but i get an error message; so i tried to make a gosub, but i
can't perform gosub calls out of the statement. If i MUST do it without
statements then i'll have to change all my code!!

statement someTHING {}
  setint 5
  code....
  end setint
end statement            ;THIS DOESN'T WORK !!!
;***********************

statement someTHING {}
  gosub outcode         ;THIS NEITHER !!!
end statement

outcode:
  code...
return
;***********************



  ... HELP !!!!


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:06 1995
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 07:00:35 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Richard T. Elmore" <[e-mail]>
To: Phillip Eastham <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Converting date string.

On Tue, 11 Apr 1995, Phillip Eastham wrote:

> I need a routine that will convert a date string in the form of
> 'Tue 11 Apr 95' into the number of seconds since 1 Jan '78. The date string
> will be different for each call, and has no relation to the current date.

Look into the Amiga2Date_ system call... (DOS Library I think.)  Hope
you've got the RKM's, it's not very straightforward....



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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:06 1995
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 13:31:05 +0000
From: Colin Saunders <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: CrossDos


Dear All,

I've got CrossDos and I can't get it to work on my Amiga. I've got an
A500, WB1.3 and 1Mb and 2 FDDs.

It lets me attach either DI0 or DI1 but won't then bring up an icon on
the WB screen. I can use format, and then Dr CrossDos says the disk is
MS-DOS but I can't put stuff on it as AmigaDOS can't find DI1.

Its all strange and annoying... ANY IDEAS?

    Thanks,

        Colin.


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:06 1995
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 17:19:23 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Patrik R}dman MNF94 <[e-mail]>
Reply to: [e-mail]
To: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
Cc: Blitz Basic Mailing List <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ted stuff [was Re: TED bug...]

> > > >     5) Sensible editing, i.e Return=CR which breaks up lines etc.
> > >
> > >   Yeah, that bugs me too... perhaps let <Enter> not break up the line,
> > > for those who like that part...
>
> I think this should be left as it is - I have got so used to it that it'd
> take me years to stop myself doing it :).  Although maybe get rid of it
> to stop me making silly mistakes in Devpac and CED.

I suggest that <Return> should work the standard Amiga way, and <Enter>
the way TED currently works. On second thoughts, let's make it a menu option,
ie:     Menu
         ...           /
         Editing >>  \/ Standard
                        Old TED

> Maybe Acid should stop thinking about MegaDrive and Jaguar etc and just
> finish ABC.  Or at least hire someone to upgrade/rewrite Ted and finally
> get Blitz2 released.

I second that. :-)

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:06 1995
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 95 18:43:37 GMT
From: Brian Skreeg <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Wanted. 1 maths speedup!

    Thanks to all who helped with my ignorance of Blitz's Tan function.
I've got it all working fine and I've included a small bit below. Can
anyone see a way to speed it up as it's running far to slow? Is there a way
to use my fpu? I know I could use tables but I'm not sure how. If someone
suggs tables can they tell me how? I'll need a table for 720 divisions in a
circle.

db=0                    ; double buffer
column=0                ; column no.
xp=1664 : yp=2344       ; player coords
xi=0 : yi=0             ; intercepts to find
ray_ang=10              ; angle/column
x_dist=20 : y_dist=0     ; relative offsets , distance to wall.

.mainloop
While RawStatus($45)=0
  Show db : db=1-db
  Use BitMap db
  Cls 0
  BitMapOutput db : Locate 0,0
  Repeat
    Gosub raycast
    Gosub draw
    column+1
    ray_ang+0.5
  Until column=128
  column=0 : ray_ang=10 : ray_num=127
  If RawStatus($21)<>0 Then xp-32 : ray_ang+1  ; only moving 2 dirs at mo
  If RawStatus($20)<>0 Then yp-32 : ray_ang-1
  VWait
Wend
End

;---------------Ray-casting--------------

.raycast
  Gosub horizontal
  x_dist=Sqr(((yp-yi)^2)+((xp-xi)^2))
  Gosub vertical
  y_dist=Sqr(((xp-xi)^2)+((yp-yi)^2))
Return

.horizontal
  yi=Int(yp/64)*64

.trhcast
  xi=xp-(Tan((ray_ang*Pi/180))*(yp-yi))
  If xi<0Then Return
  gx=(xi/64) : gy=(yi/64)
  If grid(gx,gy)<>0 Then Return
  yi-64
  Goto trhcast

.vertical
  xi=Int(xp/64)*64

.trvcast
  v_ang=90-ray_ang
  yi=yp-(1/Tan(ray_ang*Pi/180)*(xp-xi))
  If yi<0 Then Return
  gx=(xi/64) : gy=(yi/64)
  If grid(gx,gy)<>0 Then Return
  xi-64
  count+1
  Goto trvcast

; ------------calc n draw-------

.draw

Simple line drawing based on how far. Planning to depth shade or poss
asm scaling. :) as if I could.


;---------Binary Includes---------------

INCDIR "maps/"
grid: IncBin grid1

Wot you think?

Will tables speed it up that much? Or am I banging me `ed of the wallpaper?


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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:06 1995
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 95 20:08:01 +1300
From: Brett Cooper <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Finished Proggy

> On Tue, 11 Apr 1995, Hesham Amiri wrote:
>
> > BTW, can anybody tell me if there is a way to link c and Blitz code ?
>
> There are a number of ways you could go about it-- depends I guess upon
> what you are doing... Are you talking about ".o" files or
> already-compiled executeables?  If you mean executeables, then here is a
> suggestion that will work in most cases, as long as your "C" program is
> only one HUNK:

[ Excelent advice from Richard snipped out ]

To link c (object) code into blitz,  well I have had this idea for
includeing it into blitz code.  Some say it may not work but it's
only a bit of a cludge but it kind a does what I wanted it for.

And I have not put the defines in but they have there correct names :)
if you want to use this for anything at all.  Know rules in useing it.

;  the huge source below.  Includes a cheap hunk relocation for objects.

*obj=?object                  ; a pointer to the incbin of the code.obj

If Peek.l(*obj) = #HUNK_UNIT
  *obj+4                      ; point to hunk size
  nl.l=(Peek.l(*obj)*4)       ; size of hunk unit name
  *obj+nl+4                   ; find next HUNK

  *obj+4                      ; point to hunk size
  nl.l=(Peek.l(*obj)*4)       ; size of hunk name
  *obj+nl+4                   ; find next HUNK

  *obj+4                      ; point to hunk size
  nl.l=(Peek.l(*obj)*4)       ; get size of code hunk
  *START=*obj+4               ; rember where code hunk was
  *obj+nl+4                   ; find next HUNK

  *obj+4                      ; point to number of relocations to do
  RELO.l = Peek.l(*obj)       ; numer of relocations to do

  *obj+8                      ; skip which start hunk coz WE know!

  For sh = 0 To (RELO*4)-4 Step 4           ; relocation offsets
    cv.l = *START                           ; Base Address of CRUNCHER
    cv.l + Peek.l(*START+(Peek.l(*obj+sh))) ; add relocation value
    Poke.l *START+(Peek.l(*obj+sh)),cv      ; modify CRUNCH code
  Next
EndIf

;-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
; The object code I was playing with was a cruncher.  Written by a friend .
; Or it was some peace of code like a cruncher with a real loctaion table :)
;-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

input.l  = ?dead    ; not used at pressent
output.l = $4e000   ; output of decrunched file    <-  hell who wrote this :)

*t=?cd            ; Look look I even pass prometers to the object code.
Poke.l  *t,input
Poke.l  *t+4,output

GetReg  d1,*t       ; pass out put value
Call    *START      ; call object code
JSR     $4e000      ; - bang that hard address -

End

cd:  Dc.l  0,0

object:    IncBin  "crun/decrunch41.o"
Even
dead:    IncBin  "crun/t.cru"        ;  why did I put this hear?

;------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Eye Hope that someone finds this bit of blitz useful and very fastenateing :)
This would be cool to implement as a standard instruction within blitz but
as I know very little about such things.  But I try real hard to get my point
out into the publick arena.

Ranting has stopped.

Brett
[e-mail]  (Brett Cooper)
                           --- HELLONEARTHISMAN ---


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:06 1995
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 95 20:15:25 +1300
From: Brett Cooper <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Graphics Manager (fwd)

C>Dear All,
C>
C>Okay, so I finally finished the 1.0 Beta version of my Graphics Manager. The
C>question is what do I do next....? Whats the best way to make it available to
C>any one who might just want to have a look...
C>
C>        Colin.

D> Upload it to the Blitz FTP site, or to one of the aminet sites.
D>
D> Dave

Has this very cool graphics manager been uploaded to x2ftp or the UK one.
Where can I find it coz I want to have a play with it.  (Its not too hard
to work with is it?)

Brett
[e-mail]  (Brett Cooper)
                           --- HELLONEARTHISMAN ---


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:06 1995
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 95 10:37:56 BST
From: M Cooper <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: re: Maths Speedup

Brian:

Use a look-up table, it will really speed things up.
All you have to do is dim an array with 719 elements, and store the
tangent for that angle in each element

e.g

Dim tn.q(719)
for i=0 to 719
tn(i)=tan(i*2*pi/720)
next

or maybe in your case tn=1/tan((i*2*pi/720).
This way the expensive maths stuff (calculating the tan's) is removed
from the main loop of your ray-caster. The speed difference will be
amazing.
Also, I presume you're using .q variables (and if not, then do so). You
can replace all occurrences of /64 with ASR 6 if this is the case- that
will also speed things up as the binarty shifters are much quicker than
dividing.
Possibly the distance calculation can be speeded up.
I think that

dy=yp-yi:dx=xp-xi:xdist=sqr(dy*dy+dx*dx)

would be faster than using powers, and it may be possible to approximate
the sqr somehow with look-up tables if you sacrifice a bit of accuracy,
I'm not too sure.

Basically, try to avoid using maths calls such as sqr, tan etc.
explicitly in your loops, these will bog it down something chronic.

Hope this helps

Mike Cooper





From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:06 1995
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 95 18:33:10 EST
From: Phillip Eastham <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Still a problem with CLI parameters.

Hi All,

I'm still having problems with parameter passing. Someone sent me the cli
fix, but it turned out to be the same one I already had in BlitzLibs:.

Is there something else I've missed?

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:06 1995
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 95 19:55:52 EST
From: Phillip Eastham <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Activating GT string gadget.

Hi All,

I asked this question once before, and got a responce. But the answer I got
doesn't seem to work.

What I want to do is activate a GT string gadget so that you don't need to
click in it to enter text. I have tried ActivateGadget_ and ActivateString,
but neither seem to work.

Does anyone have any ideas?

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:06 1995
Date: 15 Apr 95 21:35:14 -0100
From: Chris Feringa <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Activating GT string gadget.


Hi Phillip,

In a message of 15 Apr 95 Phillip Eastham wrote to All:

 PE> What I want to do is activate a GT string gadget so that you don't need
 PE> to click in it to enter text. I have tried ActivateGadget_ and
 PE> ActivateString, but neither seem to work.

I use ActivateString all the time for GTString Gadgets.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:06 1995
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 1995 23:06:43 +0000
From: Neil Miller <[e-mail]>
To: NIGEL HUGHES <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: TED bug...

On Tue, 11 Apr 1995, NIGEL HUGHES wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>,
>     Josh Farley <[e-mail]> writes:
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 11 Apr 1995, NIGEL HUGHES wrote:
> >
> > > This is so true, how many times have I heard people say Blitz seems like a
> > > powerful language, but that editor sucks? Well quite a few I can tell you!
> >
> >   Me too... if they'd let me, I'd rewrite the thing myself!  But I can't
> > do it without info on the internal workings (how it interfaces with the
> > blitz program and the debugger, etc...
>
> Maybe the new version... May be not.
>
> > >     1) Multiple Edit Window
> >
> >   That would be nice...
> >
> > >     2) Lose the dumb copper list at the top
> >
> >   Definite... it actually causes crashes on some machines...
>
> Mine for sure, I cannot work in my GFX card screen mode 8(
>
> > >     3) Selectable screen modes
> >
> >   BIGGY! :)
>
> BIG BIG BIG BIGGY 8)
>
> > >     4) Run in WB if desired
> >
> >   Easy to do...
> >
> > >     5) Sensible editing, i.e Return=CR which breaks up lines etc.
> >
> >   Yeah, that bugs me too... perhaps let <Enter> not break up the line,
> > for those who like that part...
> >
> > > That's it! Not a _hell_ of a lot really.
> >
> >   There's more, like font control, on-line help...
>
> Well on-line help is nice, but yes font control. The thing is not a lot
> of thought is required to fix these problems.
>
> >   We could go on... and on... :)
>
> And if people ar not careful, we just might 8)
>
> Nigel Hughes
>
>

You have all forgotten the most important!

A scroll bar for the label list on the right hand side of ted! Nothing
worse than having 50 lables and only 25 or whatever available to klik on!

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:06 1995
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 1995 22:22:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Pedro J. Cervantes Pintor" <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: pointers (again)

  Does somebody knows how to handle strings inside pointers ?

  NEWTYPE.Thing
    string1$
    *next_item.Thing
  END NEWTYPE

  *item1.Thing
  *item1\string1="HELLO !!"                ;i can do this



  *item1.Thing
  *item1=Allocmem_ (Sizeof.Thing,0)
  *item1\string1="HELLO"                   ;I CAN'T do this (in a statement)


  Greetings!!


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:06 1995
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 95 21:50:35 +0100
From: Vanyel <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Ftp site? =)


Hiyas all ..

Could someone remind me of the ftp-site ... I seem to have misplaced it =)


Ta .....

Wd.
--
            God is real unless declared integer.
              -- Allen W. Sherzer ([e-mail])




From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:06 1995
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 1995 21:36:01 -0500 (CDT)
From: Maestria en Filosofia <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: just a test

  I have not recibed any message since april 12. So i'm sending this just
to see if my mail is OK.


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:06 1995
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 16:58:25 +1200 (NZST)
From: Simon or Mark <[e-mail]>
To: "Pedro J. Cervantes Pintor" <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: pointers (again)



On Sat, 15 Apr 1995, Pedro J. Cervantes Pintor wrote:

>   Does somebody knows how to handle strings inside pointers ?
>
>   NEWTYPE.Thing
>     string1$
>     *next_item.Thing
>   END NEWTYPE
>
>   *item1.Thing
>   *item1\string1="HELLO !!"                ;i can do this
>
>
>
>   *item1.Thing
>   *item1=Allocmem_ (Sizeof.Thing,0)
>   *item1\string1="HELLO"                   ;I CAN'T do this (in a statement)
>

You might want to try:

*item1=Allocmem_(Sizeof.Thing,65536)

As this will zero out the allocated memory - otherwise, Blitz thinks a
string already exists!


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:06 1995
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 17:36:40 +0800
From: Sam Taylor <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Getting the latest version of Blitz in Australia

Dear All -

I purchased my version of Blitz II a couple of years ago now (it's
version 1.6 I think...) and because of a chronic lack of cash at
the time I wasn't able to afford the registration fee.  I'm now
using Blitz on a pretty regular basis (...yeah, it took me two
years to realise what a cool little language it is...) so I
would like to know:

  1.    What is the latest version of Blitz II, and what support
    does it provide for AGA, and can the assembler handle
    68020 specific instructions/addressing modes?
  2.    Who do I contact in Australia about upgrading, and how
    much is it likely to cost?
  3.    How do I subscribe to BUM, get back issues, and get any
    other developer support available?

Answers to any of the above would be VERY much appreciated.  Thanks,

-SAM-



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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:06 1995
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 11:48:37 -0500 (CDT)
From: Maestria en Filosofia <[e-mail]>
To: Vanyel <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Ftp site? =)



On Sun, 16 Apr 1995, Vanyel wrote:

>
> Hiyas all ..
>
> Could someone remind me of the ftp-site ... I seem to have misplaced it =)
>
>

  HI !

  the ftp sites for Blitz are :

    x2ftp.oulu.fi

        and
    ftp.ee.port.ac.uk

  GREETINGS !!



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:06 1995
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 08:29:11 +1200 (NZST)
From: Simon or Mark <[e-mail]>
To: Phillip Eastham <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Still having BIG problems.



On Mon, 17 Apr 1995, Phillip Eastham wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I am still having big problems with my program. I created this little test
> program:
>
> DEFTYPE.l
> pname$="Blitz-User"
> LoadFont 0,"IBM.Font",8
> Use IntuiFont 0
> WBStartup
> Screen 0,0,0,640,256,2,$8000,pname$+" - A GUI user editor for DLG BB/OS (c)
> P. Eastham, 1995",1,2
> Window 8,128,70,353,61,$1000,"Request",1,0
> CloseWindow 8
> CloseScreen 0
> End
>
> to test my theory. Now the first time I compiled this, I had CloseWindow 9,
> and so the screen didn't close. Whilst it was still there, I went about
> doing some other things, and when I was flashing past this screen, I
> noticed the title of the window had changed from 'Request' to some
> non-descript garble.
>
> Anyway, I then compiled the above code and tried to run it. It ran fine a
> few times, and then locked the system up at the point where it tries to
> open the window with an alert number of 0100000f, followed by a series of
> enforcer hits. The resulting executable (With 'Create Icons' and 'Make
> smallest' active) is 17460 bytes long. Can someone confirm that this is
> indeed the correct size for this code?
>
> This problem is really starting to annoy me. Its holding up a whole package
> of programs I am writing.
>
> Any help is much appreciated.
>

Have you set the 'Max windows' setting in the compiler options menu
correctly? You should probably set this to a few more than you actually
need, as I think Blitz has trouble with the highest numbered one. So,
just set Maximum Windows to 20 or something...



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:06 1995
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 95 20:35:39 EST
From: Phillip Eastham <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Still having BIG problems.

Hi All,

I am still having big problems with my program. I created this little test
program:

DEFTYPE.l
pname$="Blitz-User"
LoadFont 0,"IBM.Font",8
Use IntuiFont 0
WBStartup
Screen 0,0,0,640,256,2,$8000,pname$+" - A GUI user editor for DLG BB/OS (c)
P. Eastham, 1995",1,2
Window 8,128,70,353,61,$1000,"Request",1,0
CloseWindow 8
CloseScreen 0
End

to test my theory. Now the first time I compiled this, I had CloseWindow 9,
and so the screen didn't close. Whilst it was still there, I went about
doing some other things, and when I was flashing past this screen, I
noticed the title of the window had changed from 'Request' to some
non-descript garble.

Anyway, I then compiled the above code and tried to run it. It ran fine a
few times, and then locked the system up at the point where it tries to
open the window with an alert number of 0100000f, followed by a series of
enforcer hits. The resulting executable (With 'Create Icons' and 'Make
smallest' active) is 17460 bytes long. Can someone confirm that this is
indeed the correct size for this code?

This problem is really starting to annoy me. Its holding up a whole package
of programs I am writing.

Any help is much appreciated.

-- Via DLG Pro v1.0

        Prefered:   [e-mail]
        Backup:     [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:06 1995
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 00:29:58 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Pedro J. Cervantes Pintor" <[e-mail]>
To: Simon or Mark <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: pointers (again)



On Mon, 17 Apr 1995, Simon or Mark wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, 15 Apr 1995, Pedro J. Cervantes Pintor wrote:
>
> >   Does somebody knows how to handle strings inside pointers ?
> >
> >   NEWTYPE.Thing
> >     string1$
> >     *next_item.Thing
> >   END NEWTYPE
> >
> >   *item1.Thing
> >   *item1\string1="HELLO !!"                ;i can do this
> >
> >
> >
> >   *item1.Thing
> >   *item1=Allocmem_ (Sizeof.Thing,0)
> >   *item1\string1="HELLO"                   ;I CAN'T do this (in a statement)
> >
>
> You might want to try:
>
> *item1=Allocmem_(Sizeof.Thing,65536)
>
> As this will zero out the allocated memory - otherwise, Blitz thinks a
> string already exists!
>
>
>

Simon or Mark:

  I've tried this (tanks Sam Taylor):


  NEWTYPE.LINKED_LIST
    element$
    *next_element.LINKED_LIST
  End NEWTYPE

  Function.l List_Insert {*li.LINKED_LIST}
    *li_new.LINKED_LIST
    *li_new = AllocMem_ (SizeOf.LINKED_LIST,65536)   ;your advice
    *li_new\element = "HELLO"
    *li_new\next_element = *li
    Function Return *li_new
  End Function

  *test_list.LINKED_LIST
  *test_list = 0

  For count = 1 To 10
    *test_list = List_Insert {*test_list}
  Next

  While *test_list <> 0
    Print " ",*test_list\element
    *test_list = *test_list\next_element
  Wend


 But all i get is trash in the screen (forever).

 i REALLY need to put a string inside a pointer structure, so
 i REALLY need.... HELP !! ...


  ...GREETINGS !!  :)




From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:06 1995
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 04:37:14 +1000 (EST)
From: Vaughan Roberts <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: GTButtons


Hello all,

    I hope someone out here can help, I want to mark a GTbutton as
disabled.  I have no worries turning it off (GTDisable), but what I
want to do is shade it in so people don't click on it.

    I don't think I've looked over the obvious, but ???

    Any help would be much appreciated.....

B.T.W. Is it possible to add a bar item (i.e. ~~~~~~) to my menus?

    See ya,

    Vaughan Roberts.

    email: [e-mail]






From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:06 1995
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 12:29:21 EST
From: MACIEJ GORNY <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: help needed with WB palette

Hello everybody,

One of my programs changes Workbench's palette and I would like it to
chnage back to original.

Is there an easy way to to this. I tried using loadpalette with
palette.prefs but it says something about CMAP not found.

I really appreciate any help. Thanks!

maciej






From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:06 1995
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 12:31:53 +0100 (BST)
From: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
To: Blitzlist <[e-mail]>
Subject: Debugger BETA

There's always a mistake made with my releases - at least this one is out
the way early :)

When trying to run the install script it tries to find the program MDL
(Make Def Libs).  But I forgot to include this program in the beta
archive.  Anyone who really wants to use the install script should thus
compile the Makedelibs.bb2 source into C:MDL.


Thank you.  Thats all folks :)

Steve Mc.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:06 1995
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 13:11:49 -500
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: New method using HAM/HAM8

>Date:          Thu, 20 Apr 1995 13:13:22 -0600 (MDT)
>From:          "Richard T. Elmore" <[e-mail]>
>To:            blitz list <[e-mail]>
>Subject:       New method using HAM/HAM8
>
>
>
> I've finally perfected a method in which you can actually use HAM or HAM8
>shapes on HAM/HAM8 backgrounds WITHOUT FRINGING!  Blitting is definitely
>fast enough to do good action games, etc. as well as 4096/262,000 color
>GUI's.  Finally, palette independence!
>
Congrats! And who says Amiga programers aren't up to stuff :)

Any chance of making it available to us BB programers?  I mean I have two
adventure games in the planning stages, and right now I'd see them as being
128-col with the other colours being reserved for the shapes.  Heck, even
interlaced HAM mode would make a huge diference.
Z


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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 16:20:55 GMT-1DFT
From: Jurgen Valks <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: To Acid:

Hi guys,

How Blitz 2.0 going? Any idea when it will be distributed ?? Please
send me the promissed list of all Dutch & Belgium users....

Greetings from,

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:06 1995
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 95 17:14:24 GMT
From: Brian Skreeg <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Quick variables etc,

    When using quick variables do I need to .q on the end of the variable
every time it's used or just the once at the start?
    Also is there a way to speed up If thens? Possibly using CMP commands
or something ASMy like that?

TIA

Brian Skreeg,

 |-Brian Skreeg-----------------------|
 |-Lead Guitarist and PR Silly person-|
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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:06 1995
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 15:24:44 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Pedro J. Cervantes Pintor" <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: anim files

  Where can i find information about the formats not suported
from Blitz for "anim" files ....

  ..GREETINGS!!



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:06 1995
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 15:57:45 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Pedro J. Cervantes Pintor" <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: C=

  ESCOM ??!!... PowerPC ????!!!!...  What's next...Windows NT ???!!!

  well.. better than nothing (i hope)

  in a serious way.. i think it's going to be better (but
PLEASE NOT WINDOWS NT !!!)

  GREETINGS!!



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:06 1995
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 18:43:25 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Richard T. Elmore" <[e-mail]>
To: Brian Skreeg <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Quick variables etc,

On Sun, 23 Apr 1995, Brian Skreeg wrote:

>     When using quick variables do I need to .q on the end of the variable
> every time it's used or just the once at the start?

The first time you declare a variables' type it is assumed to be that
type from then on in your source.

>     Also is there a way to speed up If thens? Possibly using CMP commands
> or something ASMy like that?

*POSSIBLY* though it would probably be easier to optimize the way you
compare things in BASIC first...  If you'll send me a code-segment
containing your slow IF-THENs, I'll see if there is a way to optimize
them without resorting to ASM... (If you do go the ASM route, you'd
really better know what you're doing in both ASM and Blitz.)

Comment the code segment if you can so I can see what your intended
results should be.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:06 1995
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 95 00:08:32 PDT
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: bbs

To whomever that might receive this message,

    My name is Tony Ross. I am a registered owner of Blitz1 and ][ and
it is my understanding that there is a BBS in the U.S. for Blitz. What is it?
Also , I tried to FTP and Telnet helsinki.fi & ftp.helsinki.fi and didn't see
anything about Blitz. Is there a way to participate in the I-net discussions
about Blitz? Thanx... BTW.. My address is [e-mail]
again thanx
            Tony


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:06 1995
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 10:23:17 +0300
From: D J Densley <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: C=

Hi all,

        What have people heard ? I got this off the futurenet pages ...

>NO SALE!
>
>At the auction, held in New York on 20th April, all bids apart from the initial>Escom one were deemed invalid. Effectively, the whole sale collpsed in farce.
>
>As we understand it, the Escom bid will be put before the US courts today, but >it is unlikely that this will be ratified.
>
>More complete news, as soon as we get it.
>

So whats up?

        Dan
        ---


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:06 1995
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 07:54:35 GMT-1DFT
From: Jurgen Valks <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: C=


#   ESCOM ??!!... PowerPC ????!!!!...  What's next...Windows NT ???!!!
#
#   well.. better than nothing (i hope)

I think it won't be nothing, I read the interview with the Escom
boss, and almost every question about the future of the Amiga is
answered with Offcourse, offcourse, ja ja. I think they rip the
hardware and put it in their lousy PC's..

#   in a serious way.. i think it's going to be better (but
# PLEASE NOT WINDOWS NT !!!)

I hope this....

Greetings from,

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:06 1995
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 95 10:33:02 +0200
From: Studer Andreas 3132 <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: C=

Hello,

> #   ESCOM ??!!... PowerPC ????!!!!...  What's next...Windows NT ???!!!
> #
> #   well.. better than nothing (i hope)
>
> I think it won't be nothing, I read the interview with the Escom
> boss, and almost every question about the future of the Amiga is

It was the Escom vize-boss... :-)

> answered with Offcourse, offcourse, ja ja. I think they rip the
> hardware and put it in their lousy PC's..

They'll not put the technology in their PC's.
At the moment, THEY DON'T KNOW, WHAT THEY'LL DO with the
Amiga. IMHO they don't know, what for patents they bought.
They has awaitet to become the rights for the C=-logo but now they
get the whole thing... cause they was the only one with a valid bid.

But please let us be serious and let us talk here about Blitz-things.
For things like the future of Amiga, the comp.sys.amiga.misc
or advocacy is the better place... :-)
We will get informations very soon... valid informations from Escom
himself in various magazines.
Let us wait (again :-). Now something is happen. I think it will go
very fast yet...

bye

Andrew


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:07 1995
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 09:34:06 +0100
From: muckleys <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: the amiga situation

Right hello,

To find more info on the Commodore sale point your URL's at

'http://www.cs.cmu.edu:8001/afs/cs.cmu.edu/misc/mosaic/
common/omega/Web/People/mjw/Computer/Amiga/MainPage.html'

some nice person has written some real up to date stuff there,
 it'll make you mad  but ... thats life.

Can somebody else post a brief review of the situation to the
group as I really haven't the time today (sorry :) ), and I
know not everybody is lucky enough to get www access

Right hope it helps

Stuart


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:07 1995
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 13:39:35 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Patrik R}dman MNF94 <[e-mail]>
Reply to: [e-mail]
To: Blitz Basic Mailing List <[e-mail]>
Subject: C= and Escom

Hi.

Someone asked for Escom information, try my web page if you have WWW access.
You'll find it at http://www.abo.fi/~pradman/c=.html

For the latest Escom news, join IRC channel #escom.

TTFN, Patrik.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:07 1995
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 12:27:56 +0100 (BST)
From: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
To: "Pedro J. Cervantes Pintor" <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: anim files

On Sun, 23 Apr 1995, Pedro J. Cervantes Pintor wrote:

>   Where can i find information about the formats not suported
> from Blitz for "anim" files ....

The standard blitz can lay anim5 file and load in animbrushes as shapes.

If you use our anim library (RIAnimLib) you can play back Anim5 & Anim7
(short and long types). Our library also supports different palettes for
each frame.


Steve Mc.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:07 1995
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 15:49:47 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Pedro J. Cervantes Pintor" <[e-mail]>
To: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: anim files



On Mon, 24 Apr 1995, Stephen McNamara wrote:

> On Sun, 23 Apr 1995, Pedro J. Cervantes Pintor wrote:
>
> >   Where can i find information about the formats not suported
> > from Blitz for "anim" files ....
>
> The standard blitz can lay anim5 file and load in animbrushes as shapes.
>
> If you use our anim library (RIAnimLib) you can play back Anim5 & Anim7
> (short and long types). Our library also supports different palettes for
> each frame.
>
>

 Steve :

  Tank you, that is a very good help, i will install the
library. But now i have an idea..
i want to playback an animation directly from disk so .... I
need a little more information   ;)

  Pedro C.


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:07 1995
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 16:04:29 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Pedro J. Cervantes Pintor" <[e-mail]>
To: Gregory Caldwell <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: pointers (again)



On Tue, 18 Apr 1995, Gregory Caldwell wrote:

> Hi "Pedro J. Cervantes Pintor" <[e-mail]>
>    In <[e-mail]> you wrote:
>
> >   *item1.Thing
> >   *item1=Allocmem_ (Sizeof.Thing,0)
> >   *item1\string1="HELLO"                   ;I CAN'T do this (in a statement)
>
> I couldn't manage to get this to work within a statement. My best fix (bodge)
> which happened to be very suitable for my application was to set up an array
> of pointers to strings, assign all my strings to the pointers and then store
> the pointer longword in the statment structure.
>
> I bit of a ball ache but I couldn't get any other method to work satisfact-
> orily. Here's an example of what I mean :-
>
> Dim *strngs.s(1000) ; set up 1000 strings
> *strng(0)="Message Number 1"
> *strng(1)="abcdefg..."
>    .
> mystruct\msg=&*strng(0)  ; \msg is a.l, assigns address of string to msg
> Print Peek.s(mystruct\msg)  ; to print the message text
>
> I hope that's of some help to you cos I spent ages trying to sort out
> why my strings didn't work within statements.
>
 Greg:

  Tank you, This is the easiest way to correct my program   :)

  GREETINGS !!

Pedro C.




From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:07 1995
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 07:54:41 -47900
From: The Crow <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Hor/vert scroll help request


If anyone can shed some light on any of the following, it would be most
appreciated:

    - My version of Blitz Basic2 is 1.7.  I have been trying to use the
      examples/blitzmode/dbscrolling.bb2 example to understand how to do
      map block scrolling.  I was disturbed to notice that when
      running this example on my Amiga 2000 or my brother's 1200 that
      blocks which scrolled into view tended to blink/flicker especially
      when the joystick was moved quickly to change directions.

      Not all blocks would blink.  Perhaps just a few.  They would continue
      to flicker even when scrolling is completely stopped.
      With the dbscrolling example, I can get this to happen consistently
      if I first move the joystick to the left.

      Is this a problem with the example or with Blitz?


    - Using the dbscrolling example as a base, I tried to write a
      horizontal/vertical scroll map block routine with a full screen
      slice using 32 colour bitmaps.  I don't need to scroll diagonally.
      Blocks really tend to blink/flicker now and I also can't get the
      scroll routine to work yet (wrong blocks appearing).

      Does anyone have a horizontal/vertical block scroll algorithum or
      sample code they can share with me?


  Thanks


  Sincerely


  Tom Stone  (using his brother's account:  [e-mail])



 p.s.   Mikko, thanks for the previous reply on the blitz-list name.




From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:07 1995
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 11:10:54 +1000 (EST)
From: Brett Johansen <[e-mail]>
To: The Crow <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Hor/vert scroll help request

>
>
> If anyone can shed some light on any of the following, it would be most
> appreciated:
>
>     - My version of Blitz Basic2 is 1.7.  I have been trying to use the
>       examples/blitzmode/dbscrolling.bb2 example to understand how to do
>       map block scrolling.  I was disturbed to notice that when
>       running this example on my Amiga 2000 or my brother's 1200 that
>       blocks which scrolled into view tended to blink/flicker especially
>       when the joystick was moved quickly to change directions.
>
>       Not all blocks would blink.  Perhaps just a few.  They would continue
>       to flicker even when scrolling is completely stopped.
>       With the dbscrolling example, I can get this to happen consistently
>       if I first move the joystick to the left.
>
>       Is this a problem with the example or with Blitz?

        This is a problem with the example most likely.
        When you move to fast, or change direction the blocks either
    didn't get blitted to both bitmaps(so one is blank- and flicks),
     or hadn't been blited in time before the next vblank <- unlikely
>
>
>     - Using the dbscrolling example as a base, I tried to write a
>       horizontal/vertical scroll map block routine with a full screen
>       slice using 32 colour bitmaps.  I don't need to scroll diagonally.
>       Blocks really tend to blink/flicker now and I also can't get the
>       scroll routine to work yet (wrong blocks appearing).
>
>       Does anyone have a horizontal/vertical block scroll algorithum or
>       sample code they can share with me?

    Look in Caffiene free pd with BUM 6 -
        or reply to me I give you something.

    Brett Johansen - [e-mail]

    PROJECT: ATOMHEAD - Snazzy horizontal shoot'em up 60% complete

From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:07 1995
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 11:10:54 +1000 (EST)
From: Brett Johansen <[e-mail]>
To: The Crow <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Hor/vert scroll help request

>
>
> If anyone can shed some light on any of the following, it would be most
> appreciated:
>
>     - My version of Blitz Basic2 is 1.7.  I have been trying to use the
>       examples/blitzmode/dbscrolling.bb2 example to understand how to do
>       map block scrolling.  I was disturbed to notice that when
>       running this example on my Amiga 2000 or my brother's 1200 that
>       blocks which scrolled into view tended to blink/flicker especially
>       when the joystick was moved quickly to change directions.
>
>       Not all blocks would blink.  Perhaps just a few.  They would continue
>       to flicker even when scrolling is completely stopped.
>       With the dbscrolling example, I can get this to happen consistently
>       if I first move the joystick to the left.
>
>       Is this a problem with the example or with Blitz?

        This is a problem with the example most likely.
        When you move to fast, or change direction the blocks either
    didn't get blitted to both bitmaps(so one is blank- and flicks),
     or hadn't been blited in time before the next vblank <- unlikely
>
>
>     - Using the dbscrolling example as a base, I tried to write a
>       horizontal/vertical scroll map block routine with a full screen
>       slice using 32 colour bitmaps.  I don't need to scroll diagonally.
>       Blocks really tend to blink/flicker now and I also can't get the
>       scroll routine to work yet (wrong blocks appearing).
>
>       Does anyone have a horizontal/vertical block scroll algorithum or
>       sample code they can share with me?

    Look in Caffiene free pd with BUM 6 -
        or reply to me I give you something.

    Brett Johansen - [e-mail]

    PROJECT: ATOMHEAD - Snazzy horizontal shoot'em up 60% complete

From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:07 1995
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 12:11:14 +1000 (EST)
From: Brett Johansen <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Sprite priority in display lib




    QUESTION:
        How do I set the sprite priority in the display lib
    when using a dual playfield display.

    I want to have sprites behind front playfield and in front
    of the back field.
                any help - displaycontols maybe?

    I know there are commands for the slice lib. to do this.



    Can someone explain the powerpacker commands and an example
        of how to use them.

                    thanks

                Brett Johansen

    PROJECT:    ATOMHEAD - the brainless shootem up






From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:07 1995
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 12:09:33 +0100 (BST)
From: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
To: "Pedro J. Cervantes Pintor" <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: anim files

On Mon, 24 Apr 1995, Pedro J. Cervantes Pintor wrote:

>  Steve :
>
>   Thank you, that is a very good help, i will install the
> library. But now i have an idea..
> i want to playback an animation directly from disk so .... I
> need a little more information   ;)

Theoretically the library can be cludged so that it takes the address of
a delta frame of animation to unpack.  Thus the programmer could load the
frames in a few at a time and then tell the unpacking routine where to
unpack from.  This wouldn't be too hard, but I don't know how
efficient/fast it would be.



Steve Mc.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:07 1995
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 19:59:00 +0100 (BST)
From: Ricky Clarke <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: A few quickies


  Hello all!

  Can anybody help me with any of the following please?


  Query #1:

   I have written an intuition program which uses GTLists quite a lot.
 I was wondering if anybody out there knows of, or would be interested in
 engineering, an implementation of the 'GTListHit' command below...

  ; Code starts here. Don't try to execute/run it - IT WON'T WORK ;)

    Select WaitEvent        ;Wait for an IDCMPEvent to occur
    Case #GadgetUpEvent     ;A gadget has been released
      Select GTListHit
      Case 0
        Select GadgetHit
        Case 0
        Case 1
        End Select
      Case 1
        Select GadgetHit
        Case 0
        Case 1
        End Select
      End Select
    End Select

  ; Code ends

   As you can see from the above, I would like 'GTListHit' to return/hold the
 GTList object number that the selected GTGadget exists within. I know this
 is probably rather wordy and not particularly well explained... Sorry :)


  Query #2:

   In the program I mentioned above I've been developing my own GTList
 scaling routines. Using the 'DetachGTList', 'GTFreeGadget' and 'Free GTList'
 command combination I've been deallocating GTLists and then reallocating
 them at a different size. It seems, bowever, that the GTLists that I've
 finished with and have (supposedly) got rid of (i.e. No longer take up
 memory) are NOT actually being cleared from memory until the program finally
 terminates. I don't think this is the fault of either of the first two
 commands memtioned, however, I'm not sure...
   I really do need some help with with this as a constant memory drain every
 time a GTList is reattached makes my program completely usless (Seeing as
 that is, in effect, its purpose :) )


  Query #3:

   Did anything ever come of the 'IconToShape' command that I asked about a
 while back (esp. RI-Group and Elmore)? I'm still interested in using such a
 command.


  Thanks for bothering to read this request (And for any help)...

    Ricky Clarke (EMail: [e-mail] or [e-mail])






From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:07 1995
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 23:15:02 EST
From: MACIEJ GORNY <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: hello

> Am I truly on this list? Is there anyone out there?
>
> hello...:(
>
>
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>

Apparently you are, but what is going on with that list. I only
unsubscribed for a couple of weeks and the list is just not the same.

Where are all those 20 (on average) messages in 24hr period as I
remeber this list?

Maciej


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:07 1995
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 23:18:26 EST
From: MACIEJ GORNY <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Q: how to recover WB's palette

Does anybody know what wouldbe the way to recover WB prefs palette
after it was changed with UsePalette command?

Is there anyway to manipulate palettes by setting some values in
palette's map? Any hints?

Any info is greatly appreciated! thanks,

Maciej


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:07 1995
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 15:06:53 +1000 (EST)
From: Brett Johansen <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: crunch mania -




    I received some advice to use crunch mania in my game!

        Can you give me an example of the commands
    required., to acheive a result.

        I want to pack map files because they
    take about 32k each on the disk.

        but they pack to less than 1 k.

    So I want to unpack them into the map array!


    Bye the way my maps are pretty damn big - well 50+ screens

    plus parallax map about 16k as well when I think about it.



        So I want to
            :PACK these maps

            :then load them in and unpack at the same time
            int the map(), at the start of each level.


        any help thanks.

    Also how about the sprite question I asked,
        nobody helped me.

    HOw do I do sprite priority on dual playfield with the display lib???

                Brett Johansen

    PROJECT:     AtomHead - The brainless shootemup! 60%


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:07 1995
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 16:25:08 +1000 (EST)
From: Brett Johansen <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: proc calls



    Hello again,

        Say I have a asm procedure


        myproc{a.w,addrtable.l}

            move d1,a0
            move (a0),d1    ;just get data
            .
            .
            .
            ;now I want to call Blit x,y,0
            ;if I have the vars in the regs d0,d1,d2
            ;already, can I then JSR blitsubroutine
            ;to save blitz reloading them?

            ;If so how do I find the addr of  blitsubroutine
            ; to jump to.
            .
            .
            do some more asm;
            asmexit
        end statement

    Also when a blit command is started does the CPU keep executing
        when the blitter is drawing?

        And so if you put commands after a blit you get them done
        for "free" , until the blit you hit another blit command
        before the drawing is fininshed and the program flow has
        to wait?


    and finally I just discovered you can put #SIZE in Dc.w if you
        place it inside {}

    ie dc.w    12,5,{#SIZE\3},6,7.....

        just for anybody who didn't know. (like me)

                Brett Johansen [e-mail]

    PROJECT:  AtomHead - The brainless shootemup


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:07 1995
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 08:44:51 +0100 (BST)
From: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
To: MACIEJ GORNY <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: hello

On Wed, 26 Apr 1995, MACIEJ GORNY wrote:

> Apparently you are, but what is going on with that list. I only
> unsubscribed for a couple of weeks and the list is just not the same.
>
> Where are all those 20 (on average) messages in 24hr period as I
> remeber this list?

A lot of people on the list are univerisity ppl, some of whom are still
on holiday (the lucky f******.... : ) ).


Steve Mc.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:07 1995
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 08:50:31 +0100 (BST)
From: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
To: Brett Johansen <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: crunch mania -

On Thu, 27 Apr 1995, Brett Johansen wrote:

>     I received some advice to use crunch mania in my game!
>
>         Can you give me an example of the commands
>     required., to acheive a result.

Right, first off get onto AMinet and find the crunch mania program.  Then
find someone with the user library that uncrunches crunch mania data files
(not sure who's lib it is).  The only command you actually need to unpack
the data files is

    crmdecrunch source[,dest]

(I think thats the command name)
If you don't provide a destination, the data is unpacked over itself.

So to load your map files, do something like:

    Bload <Myfile>,0
    CRMDecrunch start(0),&myarray(0,0)

That should happily sort the data out for you.

>     Also how about the sprite question I asked,
>         nobody helped me.
>
>     HOw do I do sprite priority on dual playfield with the display lib???

to set the sprite priorities you'll have to directly set the hardware
registers yourself.  There are no commands inside the library name
SpritePriority.  I suggest you either get the Hardware REference Manual
and find out what the bits are you need to set (I think they are in
BPLCON1 or 2).

I think there might be a displaylib command though that you can use to
actually change the value of BPLCONx inside the coplist object. Make sure
that you OR your new value over the value that is already there since it
almost certainly has other setup information inside the register.


Steve Mc.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:07 1995
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 09:26:41 +0000
From: Colin Saunders <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: WB1.2


Dear All,

Will a program written in BB2 on the A500 work with Workbench 1.2 or
does it need 1.3?

    Thanks,

        colin.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:07 1995
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 11:06:33 +0100 (BST)
From: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
To: Brett Johansen <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: proc calls

On Thu, 27 Apr 1995, Brett Johansen wrote:

>         Say I have a asm procedure
>         myproc{a.w,addrtable.l}
>
>             move d1,a0
>             move (a0),d1    ;just get data
>             .
>             .
>             .
>             ;now I want to call Blit x,y,0
>             ;if I have the vars in the regs d0,d1,d2
>             ;already, can I then JSR blitsubroutine
>             ;to save blitz reloading them?

Not quite that easy.  There is the TokeJsr function but I don't know if
this will require you to directly specify shape to blit.  Also you'd have
to set up a3 (I think) to point to the Addr Bitmap of the currently used
bitmap.

>             ;If so how do I find the addr of  blitsubroutine
>             ; to jump to.
>             .
>             .
>             do some more asm;
>             asmexit
>         end statement

My suggestion: but this inside a blitz command library.

>     Also when a blit command is started does the CPU keep executing
>         when the blitter is drawing?

Blit does such bitplane of the blit separately, so the cpu is waiting for
the blit to finish after every frame BUT the last one.

>         And so if you put commands after a blit you get them done
>         for "free" , until the blit you hit another blit command
>         before the drawing is fininshed and the program flow has
>         to wait?

Not quite - read the bitplane thing above.

>     and finally I just discovered you can put #SIZE in Dc.w if you
>         place it inside {}

>     ie dc.w    12,5,{#SIZE\3},6,7.....

Yep.


Steve Mc.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:07 1995
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 12:02:25 +0100 (BST)
From: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
To: Blitzlist <[e-mail]>
Subject: Contact numbers if France

Anyone got any BUM/Blitz contact numbers for people in France?


Steve Mc.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:07 1995
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 12:14:43 +0000
From: Colin Saunders <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Level maps..


Dear All,

Speculative question as I haven't tried this yet...

Is it possible to load in the level block maps from file using, say,
readmem_ and then to access this as an array?

    Thanks,

        Colin.


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:07 1995
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 06:42:36 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Richard T. Elmore" <[e-mail]>
To: MACIEJ GORNY <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Q: how to recover WB's palette

On Wed, 26 Apr 1995, MACIEJ GORNY wrote:
> Does anybody know what wouldbe the way to recover WB prefs palette
> after it was changed with UsePalette command?
>
> Is there anyway to manipulate palettes by setting some values in
> palette's map? Any hints?

Altering the palette of a public screen like Workbench is a very, very BAD
thing to do.  (Esp. with kickstart 3.x, as pen-sharing would
REALLY be screwed up.)  However, if you still want information on
restoring the palette prefs, e-mail me and I'll send you some source
examples of reading palette prefs (and restoring them) for 2.x and 3.x.





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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:07 1995
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 06:44:50 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Richard T. Elmore" <[e-mail]>
To: Brett Johansen <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: crunch mania -

On Thu, 27 Apr 1995, Brett Johansen wrote:

>     I received some advice to use crunch mania in my game!
>
>         Can you give me an example of the commands
>     required., to acheive a result.
>
>         I want to pack map files because they
>     take about 32k each on the disk.
>
>         but they pack to less than 1 k.
>
>     So I want to unpack them into the map array!

I could provide help using the LH libraries packing and unpacking
routines, which offer much better compression than crunchmania anyway.
If you're interested, e-mail me.


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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:07 1995
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 13:56:15 +0100
From: NIGEL HUGHES <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Level maps..

In message <[e-mail]>,
    Colin Saunders <[e-mail]> writes:
>
> Dear All,
>
> Speculative question as I haven't tried this yet...
>
> Is it possible to load in the level block maps from file using, say,
> readmem_ and then to access this as an array?
>
>     Thanks,
>
>         Colin.
>
>

Colin,
    Yup, do something like

    Dim My_Array.b(9,9)

    if WriteFile(0,"ram:test")
        writemem 0,&My_Array,10*10
        closefile 0
    endif

    if readfile(0,"ram:test")
        readmem 0,&My_Array,10*10
        closefile 0
    endif

That works fine, I use it for some of my stuff.


    Nigel Hughes


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:07 1995
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 08:15:19 -0500 (CDT)
From: Maestria en Filosofia <[e-mail]>
To: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: anim files



On Mon, 24 Apr 1995, Stephen McNamara wrote:

> On Sun, 23 Apr 1995, Pedro J. Cervantes Pintor wrote:
>
> >   Where can i find information about the formats not suported
> > from Blitz for "anim" files ....
>
> The standard blitz can lay anim5 file and load in animbrushes as shapes.
>
> If you use our anim library (RIAnimLib) you can play back Anim5 & Anim7
> (short and long types). Our library also supports different palettes for
> each frame.
>
   Steve Mc.:

  I couldn't make work your example to play anims; My Amiga crashes in
the Bload command before it can ask me for the disk with the anim!!, i
tried to change the parameters, but i get the same...

  And one more problem...
  I live in America (Mexico :) ) so i use NTSC SO i have problems with
MED songs, they play faster and the med library (blitz) doesn't have any
command to make them play slower. I thougt to use the MED and OctaMED
libraries (Teijo Kinuen) but i don't know how to install and use this
from blitz. Does anybody knows what should i do? :)

  Pedro C.


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:07 1995
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 14:22:50 +0100 (BST)
From: Chris Andrews <[e-mail]>
To: MACIEJ GORNY <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Q: how to recover WB's palette


   The current prefs files are in Ram:ENV/ somewhere (possibly
ENV:sys/pallete.prefs)  and are, from what I gather .iff files.

   You may be able to get at the colours from the LoadPalette(*)  command as
this uses that format.  Otherwise experiment with this file.  When not in
the Env: drawer. They usually reside in sys:prefs/envarchive (guess name
again) alough this may change. (On my system I have Env-Archive.1
Env-Archive.2 and Env-Archive.3 for different setups).

  I appologise if I sound like I am guessing and I am wrong, but I
haven't seen my amiga for about 7 weeks and I forget things easily)

yours -- Chris

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:07 1995
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 18:11:57 +0100 (BST)
From: Andy Pelton <[e-mail]>
To: Blitz-List <[e-mail]>
Subject: display`n`disk

    hi there has any one out there got a AGA dual-play feild working
so that you can display 16 colours per playfield as every time i try to
use this display one of the play feilds has 16 colors but the other play
feild has only 8 and these 8 are the first 8 of the first play field
please could you send me the source code for a working display AGA dual
playfield. What is max resoultion you can have in a dual playfeild and
how do you get the Display copper effects working as i can every time i
have used these it says not engough space or something simlar when i have
allocated enough space with the customcop paramter of Initcoplist.

    next with the TRACKDISK commands how many sectors are on a disk
and how many bytes are there in a sector.
    also has any one found that Rich T Elmore`s Space$ command dose
not work on the 2.x machines but is fine on the 1200.

    at the moment is it possible to get a dual play feild in intuition     if
so what are the commands to display the two playfeilds.

    How do you access the Workbench events from blitz. I mean the
actual events from the original work bench screen.

    one last thing when is bum 8 going to be released and will it
have the acclamied 3d libaray.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:07 1995
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 12:28:37 EST
From: MACIEJ GORNY <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Q: how to recover WB's palette

>    The current prefs files are in Ram:ENV/ somewhere (possibly
> ENV:sys/pallete.prefs)  and are, from what I gather .iff files.
>
>    You may be able to get at the colours from the LoadPalette(*)  command as
> this uses that format.  Otherwise experiment with this file.  When not in
> the Env: drawer. They usually reside in sys:prefs/envarchive (guess name
> again) alough this may change. (On my system I have Env-Archive.1
> Env-Archive.2 and Env-Archive.3 for different setups).
>
>   I appologise if I sound like I am guessing and I am wrong, but I
> haven't seen my amiga for about 7 weeks and I forget things easily)
>
> yours -- Chris
>
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I tried reading palette.prefs with LoadPalette command but it says it
can't find CMAP (color map I assume), so it can't be pure IFF file.

maciej


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:07 1995
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:40:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Josh Farley <[e-mail]>
To: Maestria en Filosofia <[e-mail]>
Cc: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
Subject: Re: anim files



On Thu, 27 Apr 1995, Maestria en Filosofia wrote:

>   And one more problem...
>   I live in America (Mexico :) ) so i use NTSC SO i have problems with
> MED songs, they play faster and the med library (blitz) doesn't have any
> command to make them play slower. I thougt to use the MED and OctaMED
> libraries (Teijo Kinuen) but i don't know how to install and use this
> from blitz. Does anybody knows what should i do? :)

  You need to set up an interrupt to handle the MED songs... like so...

 SetInt5
  If si>-1
   si+1
   If si>4 Then si=0 Else PlayMed
  EndIf
 End SetInt


  That should do the trick for NTSC...

Josh Farley     Netmail: 1:119/88     E-Mail: [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:08 1995
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 95 18:26:42 GMT
From: Jamie Burns <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: WANNA SELL YOUR BUMS?

 Hiya.. Peeps..

  I am wondering if anyone would like to sell their BUMS (6+)

  I cant really stand the wait involved in ordering them properly so i will offer
 10 quid for a set (originals though).

  Anyone interested?

  Write me :- [e-mail]

  PS. I dont mean give me originals and you keep copies!


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:08 1995
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 20:35:52 +0100 (BST)
From: Chris Andrews <[e-mail]>
To: MACIEJ GORNY <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Q: how to recover WB's palette



On Thu, 27 Apr 1995, MACIEJ GORNY wrote:

> I tried reading palette.prefs with LoadPalette command but it says it
> can't find CMAP (color map I assume), so it can't be pure IFF file.
>

   I'm pretty sure that they can be loaded in DPaint with both Load
Picture and load palette.

Chris


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:08 1995
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 95 19:52:48 CET
From: Philipp Lonke <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Saving Newtypes

Hi Neil, you wrote in <Pine.3.89.9504272235.C25695-0100000@triode>:

> some time ago I read a message from someone who was working on a command
> that allowed you to save an entire newtype in a single command, who are
> you, where are you, how is it going?

Do you mean to save an Newtype in a file or what? I also need help in
this subject!

It could be so easy just to write:

 ...
   resetlist(my)
   if openfile(0,"ram:test")
        fields 0,my.newtype
        while nextitem(my)
            put 0,i
            i+1
        wend
    closefile 0
 ...

[ no warranty, this is *crap* source!]

and now you must put each newtype-item in a variable and put this
variable in the record... Or is there another way to do it??

--
Philipp Lonke * [e-mail] * postal adress on demand
"Lehrerkommödie: Die Armut der Lehrer, während die Staaten Unsummen für
die Wehrmacht hinauswerfen. Da sie nur Lehrer für 600 DM sich leisten
können, bleiben die Völker so dumm, daß sie sich Kriege für 60
Milliarden leisten müssen." (Ch. Morgenstern, "Aphorismen")


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:08 1995
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 16:49:36 EST
From: MACIEJ GORNY <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: (Fwd) Re: Q: how to recover WB's palette

>> I tried reading palette.prefs with LoadPalette command but it says it
>> can't find CMAP (color map I assume), so it can't be pure IFF file.
>>
>
>I'm pretty sure that they can be loaded in DPaint with both Load
>Picture and load palette.
>
>Chris

Did you try loading it as an IFF picture or as a palette?

--maciej


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:08 1995
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 22:05:46 +0000
From: Neil Miller <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Saving Newtypes

some time ago I read a message from someone who was working on a command
that allowed you to save an entire newtype in a single command, who are
you, where are you, how is it going?

                          \|/
                         -O"O-
----------------------oOO-(_)-OOo------------------------
                         T E X
                [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:08 1995
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 13:49:24 +1200 (NZST)
From: Simon or Mark <[e-mail]>
To: Neil Miller <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Saving Newtypes



On Thu, 27 Apr 1995, Neil Miller wrote:

> some time ago I read a message from someone who was working on a command
> that allowed you to save an entire newtype in a single command, who are
> you, where are you, how is it going?
>

Here's one way to do it...

Newtype.test
a.w
b.w
c.q
etc...
End Newtype

Dim List a.test(100)

From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:08 1995
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 08:53:25 +0100 (BST)
From: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
To: Blitzlist <[e-mail]>
Subject: Debugger

Reports back from the people I sent the debugger to would be appreciated
(thanx to Neil Millerwho has already replied).


Steve Mc.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:08 1995
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 14:34:39 +0300
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: No Memebership No.

well...
  seems I need to get hold of a BUM subscription to get the new Display FX
lib (I`m currently only on BUM6 which someone sent me free for some reason!)
Only problem is, I never recevied a membership no. with Blitz2, or if I did
it suffered some terrible fate in one of the darker corners of my house. And
what do you need to subscribe to BUM? you guessed it! Anyone got any ideas
what I should do, I`ve put this here `cos I don`t have any contact addresses
for Acid on e-mail or snail-mail (aren`t I careless!)
    Thanks again,
        Jim \:)





From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:08 1995
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 95 11:59:51 GMT
From: Jamie Burns <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Screen Tags?

 Hiya..

 Does anybody know how to get rid of the title bar from an intuition screen?

  Ive tried playing with the screen tags but cant seem to find the right bit to
 switch it off..

  Also, on the subject of screen tags, does anybody know how to open a proper
 OS3+ looking screen (ie. a nice black trim under the white title bar) ??

  And one last thing..  I heard there was some cool AMIGA mode hardware
 scrolling stuff around here, dont suppose someone could mail me some?

  See ya soon..

  [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:08 1995
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 06:57:16 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Richard T. Elmore" <[e-mail]>
To: MACIEJ GORNY <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Q: how to recover WB's palette

On Thu, 27 Apr 1995, MACIEJ GORNY wrote:

> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 12:28:37 EST
> From: MACIEJ GORNY <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: Q: how to recover WB's palette
>
> >    The current prefs files are in Ram:ENV/ somewhere (possibly
> > ENV:sys/pallete.prefs)  and are, from what I gather .iff files.
> >
> I tried reading palette.prefs with LoadPalette command but it says it
> can't find CMAP (color map I assume), so it can't be pure IFF file.
>
> maciej

The palette.prefs file for 2.x is more-or-less an IFF-ILBM containing a
palette, but since 3.0 the standard has been changed to a new IFF type called
FORM PREF.  I know how to parse both these types, as well as 1.3
system-configuration files to derive the palette prefs you're looking for.
(Most of the info is in the RKMs.)


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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:08 1995
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 09:22:07 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Pedro J. Cervantes Pintor" <[e-mail]>
To: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: anim files



On Fri, 28 Apr 1995, Stephen McNamara wrote:

> On Thu, 27 Apr 1995, Maestria en Filosofia wrote:
>
> >   I couldn't make work your example to play anims; My Amiga crashes in
> > the Bload command before it can ask me for the disk with the anim!!, i
> > tried to change the parameters, but i get the same...
>
> What version of our libs are you using and what machine/OS version
> are they running on (since some of our commands have in the past fallen
> down on old versions( e.g. pre 2.0).
>
>
 Steve Mc.

  I have the RIBlitzLibs v4.0 and an Amiga 500 1MbChip OS 1.3  <:)

  Pedro C.


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:08 1995
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 12:20:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Josh Farley <[e-mail]>
To: Jamie Burns <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Screen Tags?



On Fri, 28 Apr 1995, Jamie Burns wrote:

>  Does anybody know how to get rid of the title bar from an intuition screen?

  Yes.

>   Ive tried playing with the screen tags but cant seem to find the right bit to
>  switch it off..

  Oh, you want me to tell you??? :)

  Use the following Tags:

#SA_Quiet     , True
#SA_ShowTitle , False

  Also use a MenusOff command after opening a window...

>   Also, on the subject of screen tags, does anybody know how to open a proper
>  OS3+ looking screen (ie. a nice black trim under the white title bar) ??

  Use the #SA_LikeWorkbench , True tag... it should help...

>   And one last thing..  I heard there was some cool AMIGA mode hardware
>  scrolling stuff around here, dont suppose someone could mail me some?

First use this code after opening your screen:

 *s0.Screen=Peek.l(Addr Screen(0))
 *v0.ViewPort=*s0\_ViewPort
 *r0.RasInfo=*v0\RasInfo

Now, use the following code in your main loop:

 *r0\_BitMap=Addr BitMap(cb),x,y
 ScrollVPort_ *v0
 cb=1-cb

Where cb= the current bitmap number (for double buffering)
      x = the x offset within that bitmap
      y = the y offset within that bitmap

This should work beautifully...

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:08 1995
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 01:07:21 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Pedro J. Cervantes Pintor" <[e-mail]>
To: "Ott M. Aaloe" <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Ri libs and 1.3



On Fri, 28 Apr 1995, Ott M. Aaloe wrote:

> >
> >   I have the RIBlitzLibs v4.0 and an Amiga 500 1MbChip OS 1.3  <:)
> >
> >   Pedro C.
> >
>
> erm...I was just wondering if you had any troubles with Ri's Bload and
> FileSize - coz I tested it on A3000 1.3 and it hangs...so can
> you please check it out for me.
>
>


  Ott M. Aaloe :

   Yes i had problems with the Bload command (i haven't tested
"filesize", but i will); have you tried the RIBlitzLibs V1.0?

  Pedro C.


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:08 1995
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 95 17:32:52 EDT
From: Lynn Jennings <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Screen Tags?



>  Does anybody know how to get rid of the title bar from an intuition screen?
>   [e-mail]

Sorry if this has been answered; think our mailer's been acting up.

Anyway, use the intuition call ShowTitle.

I don't have my books nearby, but I imagine it should be something like:

ShowTitle_(Addr Screen SCRN, BOOL)

Where SCRN is the number of the screen object and BOOL is a boolean value
(i.e. TRUE=-1/FALSE=0).

The call takes the address of the screen structure and the boolean.

Christopher Jennings
EBA


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:08 1995
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 17:05:18 EST
From: MACIEJ GORNY <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Q: how to recover WB's palette


> The palette.prefs file for 2.x is more-or-less an IFF-ILBM containing a
> palette, but since 3.0 the standard has been changed to a new IFF type called
> FORM PREF.  I know how to parse both these types, as well as 1.3
> system-configuration files to derive the palette prefs you're looking for.
> (Most of the info is in the RKMs.)
>
>
>     +---------------------------------------------------------------+
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>     | E-MAIL: [e-mail]          TEL: [phone] |
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>
>
Could you please send me that information if possible? I don't have
access to RKMs.

Ok, so I understan that to get 2.0 and 3.0 palettes we need to read
that palette.prefs file with LoadPalette. But how is it done in 1.3?

Also is it possible from blitz2 to manipulate palettes on a register
level. I mean to change value of some individual color without
changing the rest of them? I assume maybe one way to do it would be
to create a palette object and assigning a pointer to i, and then
just read the appropriate field. Something like:

LoadPalette 1, ...
*p.palette=Addr Palette(1)

Am I on the right track?

Thanks for all the help.

maciej


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:08 1995
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 1995 00:49:38 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Richard T. Elmore" <[e-mail]>
To: Jamie Burns <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Screen Tags?

On Fri, 28 Apr 1995, Jamie Burns wrote:
>  Does anybody know how to get rid of the title bar from an intuition screen?

Using the Screentags:
#SA_ShowTitle,False
#SA_Quiet,True

>   Also, on the subject of screen tags, does anybody know how to open a proper
>  OS3+ looking screen (ie. a nice black trim under the white title bar) ??

It's more dependant on your FLAGS, no tags will set them for you.  Or the
number $240000 with your other screentags to have the "newlook."

>   And one last thing..  I heard there was some cool AMIGA mode hardware
>  scrolling stuff around here, dont suppose someone could mail me some?

I've got an awesome new ElmoreLib to handle this and a lot more... Wanna
be a betatester?

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    +---------------------------------------------------------------+



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:08 1995
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 1995 22:33:27 EST
From: MACIEJ GORNY <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Q: how to recover WB's palette

>
> If I understand your question correctly, you would want to use the PalRGB
> command (or AGAPalRGB.)  I beleive they became standard as of Bum5...
>
>     +---------------------------------------------------------------+
>     |      Richard T. Elmore   -   "Head" of HeadSoft Software      |
>     | E-MAIL: [e-mail]          TEL: [phone] |
>     +---------------------------------------------------------------+
>

Thanks Rich for your help. I think I figured out what I need to do
last night. First I store original RGB values using Red, Green, and
Blue commands and then restore it using RGB command if a WB palette
gets altered. I think this should do the trick.

maciej


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:08 1995
Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 15:03:13 EST
From: MACIEJ GORNY <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Q: Using AvailMem_

Does anybody know what are the parameters that AvailMem_ needs to
show the available memory? is there anyway to check seperately how
much fast and how much chip RAM is left?

Thanks!

Maciej


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:08 1995
Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 23:18:02 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Pedro J. Cervantes Pintor" <[e-mail]>
To: MACIEJ GORNY <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Q: Using AvailMem_



On Mon, 1 May 1995, MACIEJ GORNY wrote:

> Does anybody know what are the parameters that AvailMem_ needs to
> show the available memory? is there anyway to check seperately how
> much fast and how much chip RAM is left?
>
> Thanks!
>
   Maciej :

  The function "availMem" only need the "attributes" parameter

  so from Blitz you'll have to do...:
    size=AvailMem_ (attributes)

  ..from assembler ....:
    D1 = attributes
    D0 = Size

  ...AND the attributes are !! ....:     :)

   #MEMF_ANY      = 0
   #MEMF_PUBLIC   = 1 ASL 0
   #MEMF_CHIP     = 1 ASL 1
   #MEMF_FAST     = 1 ASL 2
   #MEMF_LOCAL    = 1 ASL 8
   #MEMF_24BITDMA = 1 ASL 9
   #MEMF_CLEAR    = 1 ASL 16
   #MEMF_LARGEST  = 1 ASL 17
   #MEMF_REVERSE  = 1 ASL 18
   #MEMF_TOTAL    = 1 ASL 19
   #MEMF_BLOCKSIZE= 8
   #MEMF_BLOCKMASK= #MEMF_BLOCKSIZE-1


  examples :
    size=AvailMem_ (#MEMF_CHIP)     ;free chip mem

    size=AvailMem_ (#MEMF_FAST | #MEMF_LARGEST) ;largest block of free
fastRAM


  by the way ... this are the same attributes for the "AllocMem_" function


  good luck ..GREETINGS !!

  Pedro C.



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:08 1995
Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 23:32:16 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Pedro J. Cervantes Pintor" <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: blitter



  How can i draw lines and fill areas using the blitter ??
  ...PLEASE TELL ME  <8)

  Pedro C.



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:08 1995
Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 09:43:41 +0100
From: NIGEL HUGHES <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: ANOTHER new version of ShapeZ II


Dear All,
    ShapeZ has had a bit of an overhaul and now has a revised GUI and
even more features! The animation bit is now a hell of a lot more useable,
you can drop IFF's to be scanned into an AppIcon and lots of nice things
like that. Just AREXX to go and I can write the manual and start on ShapeZ
III!

    Email me if you want a copy, or check out my web page from whence
you can download!

    http://www.dcs.aber.ac.uk:80/~ngh94/blitz.html

    See you about.

    Nigel Hughes


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:08 1995
Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 09:44:49 +0000
From: Colin Saunders <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Memory...


Dear All,

Another speculative question....

I know there are "two" types of memory in the Amiga - chip and fast -
but thats about all I now about memory...

A few questions:

1.  What is the difference between chip and fast memory?

2.  What implications does this have on games?

3.  What control does Blitz provide for placing data (or code) in a
    certain type of memory?

4.  What are the implications of different machines having different
    amounts of the two types of memory?

Phew... all answers gratefully received.

    Thanks,

        Colin.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:08 1995
Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 10:00:32 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Richard T. Elmore" <[e-mail]>
To: MACIEJ GORNY <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Q: Using AvailMem_

On Mon, 1 May 1995, MACIEJ GORNY wrote:

> Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 15:03:13 EST
> From: MACIEJ GORNY <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Q: Using AvailMem_
>
> Does anybody know what are the parameters that AvailMem_ needs to
> show the available memory? is there anyway to check seperately how
> much fast and how much chip RAM is left?

There are some definitions in Amigalibs.Res that would make the flags
easier to deal with.  You can "OR" them together for combinations as well.

Here they are with a brief example:

#MEMF_ANY=0           ;Any type of memory will do
#MEMF_PUBLIC=1
#MEMF_CHIP=2
#MEMF_FAST=4
#MEMF_LOCAL=256     ;Memory that doesn't go away at RESET
#MEMF_24BITDMA=512     ;DMAable memory within 24 bits of address
#MEMF_KICK=1024     ;Memory that can be used for KickTags
#MEMF_LARGEST=131072      ;Return largest chunk size
#MEMF_TOTAL=524288    ;Return total size of memory


;Return all FAST RAM in system:

size.l=AvailMem_(#MEMF_FAST|#MEMF_TOTAL)





Hope this helps!
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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:08 1995
Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 10:26:26 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Richard T. Elmore" <[e-mail]>
To: Colin Saunders <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Memory...

On Tue, 2 May 1995, Colin Saunders wrote:

> I know there are "two" types of memory in the Amiga - chip and fast -
> but thats about all I now about memory...

Well, there are actually types other than these two, but for most
practical purposes, you can say memory is either "CHIP" accessable memory
or NOT "CHIP" accessable memory.


> A few questions:
>
> 1.  What is the difference between chip and fast memory?

The only real important difference is CHIP memory is memory that falls
within the addressable range of the Amiga's custom chips, which means
only this memory can be accessed for either sound or graphics etc. that
use custom chips.


> 2.  What implications does this have on games?

One common example is you end up with insufficient memory for all your
games bitmaps, shapes, sound etc. even though you have 16M of fast memory
available.  You're limited to the amount of CHIP ram you have for just
about all your graphics, sound etc. unless you're using a graphics card
like the Picasso-II, which can use FAST ram for it's graphics.

> 3.  What control does Blitz provide for placing data (or code) in a
>     certain type of memory?

UNFORTUNEATELY, there is no control... For now you can't know where any
code or data will end up when it's loaded.... The only safe thing to do
is allocate the specific type you need (such as CHIP) and copy data from
the address of your program's data to this allocated CHIP ram.  It's a
horrible waste, but until this problem is fixed, we're stuck.


> 4.  What are the implications of different machines having different
>     amounts of the two types of memory?

AGA and ECS machines that have more CHIP memory can use more graphics and
sound in games than the older, obsolete machines.  With an A1200, for
example, you have 2 full megabytes of memory for your game's images,
sound, music etc.  On some machines this is only 512K or even 256K.


Keep in touch!

    +---------------------------------------------------------------+
    |      Richard T. Elmore   -   "Head" of HeadSoft Software      |
    | E-MAIL: [e-mail]          TEL: [phone] |
    +---------------------------------------------------------------+



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:08 1995
Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 10:26:26 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Richard T. Elmore" <[e-mail]>
To: Colin Saunders <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Memory...

On Tue, 2 May 1995, Colin Saunders wrote:

> I know there are "two" types of memory in the Amiga - chip and fast -
> but thats about all I now about memory...

Well, there are actually types other than these two, but for most
practical purposes, you can say memory is either "CHIP" accessable memory
or NOT "CHIP" accessable memory.


> A few questions:
>
> 1.  What is the difference between chip and fast memory?

The only real important difference is CHIP memory is memory that falls
within the addressable range of the Amiga's custom chips, which means
only this memory can be accessed for either sound or graphics etc. that
use custom chips.


> 2.  What implications does this have on games?

One common example is you end up with insufficient memory for all your
games bitmaps, shapes, sound etc. even though you have 16M of fast memory
available.  You're limited to the amount of CHIP ram you have for just
about all your graphics, sound etc. unless you're using a graphics card
like the Picasso-II, which can use FAST ram for it's graphics.

> 3.  What control does Blitz provide for placing data (or code) in a
>     certain type of memory?

UNFORTUNEATELY, there is no control... For now you can't know where any
code or data will end up when it's loaded.... The only safe thing to do
is allocate the specific type you need (such as CHIP) and copy data from
the address of your program's data to this allocated CHIP ram.  It's a
horrible waste, but until this problem is fixed, we're stuck.


> 4.  What are the implications of different machines having different
>     amounts of the two types of memory?

AGA and ECS machines that have more CHIP memory can use more graphics and
sound in games than the older, obsolete machines.  With an A1200, for
example, you have 2 full megabytes of memory for your game's images,
sound, music etc.  On some machines this is only 512K or even 256K.


Keep in touch!

    +---------------------------------------------------------------+
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    | E-MAIL: [e-mail]          TEL: [phone] |
    +---------------------------------------------------------------+



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:08 1995
Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 18:02:48 EST
From: MACIEJ GORNY <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Memory...

>
> Dear All,
>
> Another speculative question....
>
> I know there are "two" types of memory in the Amiga - chip and fast -
> but thats about all I now about memory...
>
> A few questions:
>
> 1.  What is the difference between chip and fast memory?

chip is the block of memory that all the custom Amiga chips have
access to. With fast memory only CPU can access it.

> 2.  What implications does this have on games?

all your anims and MODs and anything that has to do with graphics
must be in chip RAM.

> 3.  What control does Blitz provide for placing data (or code) in a
>     certain type of memory?

don't know. Would like to know that myself.

> 4.  What are the implications of different machines having different
>     amounts of the two types of memory?

i guess you must make sure that if your computerh has and needs 1MB
of chip RAM to run the game, user's computer also should have that
1MB of chip RAM. Other than that I don't know.

> Phew... all answers gratefully received.
>



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:08 1995
Date: Wed, 03 May 1995 10:26:47 +0100
From: NIGEL HUGHES <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: ShapeZ II


Hi All,
    Anyone who has been e-mailed ShapeZ II or grabbed a copy from my
webpage, could they PLEASE send me any bugs or suggestions. Thanks to
all the people who have shown so much interest!


    Nigel Hughes


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:08 1995
Date: Wed, 03 May 1995 10:26:37 +0000 (GMT)
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: making shape mask


  Can anyone help me with the following problem?

  I writing a game which uses a 4 bitplane bitmap (16 colours) as the main
  screen, plus a 1 bitplane bitmap which is a b/w 'mask' of the main screen,
  for doing all the collision detection.  I've got lots of 16 colour shapes
  which I blit onto the main screen, and I want to be able to blit a mask of
  these shapes onto the 1 bitplane screen.

  If I try blitting a 16 col. shape on the 1 bitplane bitmap I get the
  "Shape has too many bitplanes" error of course.

  Is there any way of getting a 1 bitplane mask of these shapes, without
  having to actually draw one myself?

  [By a mask I mean colours numbered 1-15 become 'white' and colour 0
  remains black]


  Thanks for any help


  Matt

 ____________________________________________________________________________
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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:08 1995
Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 14:28:19 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Mikko Makela <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: missing messages

I just now got approve-script to work for majordomo and will
be approving some messages which have been sent to the list
but never arrived because MD thought they were administrative
requests (because it found some of it's commands from the
subject line or from the first 5 lines of the body).

I'm sorry this took so long, but maybe finally everything
will be running smoothly in the future...

-Mikko


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:08 1995
Date: Wed, 3 May 95 11:53:44 CET
From: Philipp Lonke <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: RI Compact Disc library v1.3 help needed

Can someone please explain to me to to get the table of contents of a
CD using the CDReadTOC command, and then, how to get a track played?

Somehow it doesn't work like it should :(

--
Philipp Lonke * [e-mail] * postal adress on demand
"Lehrerkommödie: Die Armut der Lehrer, während die Staaten Unsummen für
die Wehrmacht hinauswerfen. Da sie nur Lehrer für 600 DM sich leisten
können, bleiben die Völker so dumm, daß sie sich Kriege für 60
Milliarden leisten müssen." (Ch. Morgenstern, "Aphorismen")


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:08 1995
Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 07:32:06 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Richard T. Elmore" <[e-mail]>
To: Vaughan Roberts <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: GTButtons

On Wed, 19 Apr 1995, Vaughan Roberts wrote:

>     I hope someone out here can help, I want to mark a GTbutton as
> disabled.  I have no worries turning it off (GTDisable), but what I
> want to do is shade it in so people don't click on it.

After the GTDisable command, use the Redraw command from the old gadgets
library...  The image is SHOULD to redraw itself and display the mesh
you're looking for automatically, but since it doesn't, forcing it to
re-render will do the trick.


> B.T.W. Is it possible to add a bar item (i.e. ~~~~~~) to my menus?

As long as you're using Blitz's menu system, you can't add a "real" bar
item.  That is a property of GadTools menus.  I've seen a lot of people
"fake" it with disabled menuitems containing dashes, etc. but they never
look like the baritems of GadTools.

I'm thinking about writing a library to handle GTMenus soon, but for now,
I guess faking it with Blitz's Menu commands is all you can hope for.



Keep in Touch!

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:08 1995
Date: Wed, 03 May 1995 15:36:15 +0100
From: NIGEL HUGHES <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Another weird blitz bug

In message <[e-mail]>,
    Simon or Mark <[e-mail]> writes:
>
> Oh god! another weird bug! I really don't know what to do...seriously
> guys, I'm a programmer with no formal trainging, who'se never been rich
> enough to afford a 'complete set of developers docs' etc. whinge
> cringe...what the fuck...I'm really happy that people like/can program in
> Blitz Bastards version 5.bastard.stuff etc. nozzle tin pipes ginger whack
> shit! DUDE! Have an exceptional life people - you deserve it!

Um, have we been smoking anything sir? Something that rhymes with 'lot'?

Don't suppose this is the best time to ask you about... Nah maybe not.


Nigel Hughes


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:08 1995
Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 09:52:46 -0500 (CDT)
From: Joe Bott <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: GTCycle Gadgets...

Hello! I'm having a bit of trouble with the GTCycle gadget...

Basically, how do you read them? The regular gadget commands return a 0...

Joe



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:08 1995
Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 17:53:33 +0300 (EDT)
From: Teemu Yli-Elsila <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Subscribe

Pyydan anteeksi, loysin request-osoitteen Aminetista liian myohaan :-(

    -teemu


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:08 1995
Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 17:31:47 +0000
From: Colin Saunders <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: GTButtons


Vaughan,

> B.T.W. Is it possible to add a bar item (i.e. ~~~~~~) to my menus?

What I do is just this:

    Menuitem 0,0,0,1,"item 1"
    Menuitem 0,0,0,2,"------"
    Menuitem 0,0,0,3,"item 2"

And don't do anything in the case statement for the item hit
result.. okay so the line gets hightlighted but it does the trick
visually.

    Thanks,

        colin.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:08 1995
Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 19:52:58 +0100 (BST)
From: Andy Pelton <[e-mail]>
To: Blitz-List <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: GTCycle Gadgets...

On Wed, 3 May 1995, Joe Bott wrote:

> Hello! I'm having a bit of trouble with the GTCycle gadget...
>
> Basically, how do you read them? The regular gadget commands return a 0...
>
> Joe
>

Hi i believe to read GTcycle gadgets you need to GTStatus given with BUM6
(i think it was any way) or if the command does not exsit use the
ordinary gadget status command strangly enough called status.

i hope this infomation is of any use and correct (dont use GTcyclesmuch.)

    ANDY.




From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:08 1995
Date: Wed, 3 May 95 22:41:59 CET
From: Philipp Lonke <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: GTButtons

Hi Vaughan, you wrote in <[e-mail]> on Apr 19:

> B.T.W. Is it possible to add a bar item (i.e. ~~~~~~) to my menus?

You have to set the flags in "MenuItem" to $40, and as Menutext you
put "String$("~",length)" . Eventually you have to fit it in the menu
using "MenuGap"

--
Philipp Lonke * [e-mail] * postal adress on demand
"Lehrerkommödie: Die Armut der Lehrer, während die Staaten Unsummen für
die Wehrmacht hinauswerfen. Da sie nur Lehrer für 600 DM sich leisten
können, bleiben die Völker so dumm, daß sie sich Kriege für 60
Milliarden leisten müssen." (Ch. Morgenstern, "Aphorismen")


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test6



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:08 1995
Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 01:10:01 +1200 (NZST)
From: Simon or Mark <[e-mail]>
To: Big Will Riker <[e-mail]>
Cc: blitzlist <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Another weird blitz bug



On Mon, 10 Apr 1995, Big Will Riker wrote:

>
> Ok people, try this at home (ask a grown-up to help you)
>
>
> Function.w a{var.w}
>   NPrint var
>   Function Return var*2
> End Function
>
> Function.w b{var.w}
>   NPrint "Oh no! ",var
>   Function Return var*10
> End Function
>
> main:
> c{10}
>
>
> Before you ask, yes it should be c{10} even though there is no
> such function as c{}...
>
> And the ouptut is
> Oh no! 10
> 100
>
> Jeez...talk about stupid eh?
>
>
> Steve.
>  ___________________________________________________________________________
> /           Amiga Developer          | Current Project : BlitzOS Lib        \
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>
Oh god! another weird bug! I really don't know what to do...seriously
guys, I'm a programmer with no formal trainging, who'se never been rich
enough to afford a 'complete set of developers docs' etc. whinge
cringe...what the fuck...I'm really happy that people like/can program in
Blitz Bastards version 5.bastard.stuff etc. nozzle tin pipes ginger whack
shit! DUDE! Have an exceptional life people - you deserve it!




From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:08 1995
Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 09:51:48 +1200 (NZST)
From: Simon or Mark <[e-mail]>
To: NIGEL HUGHES <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Another weird blitz bug



On Wed, 3 May 1995, NIGEL HUGHES wrote:

> > Blitz Bastards version 5.bastard.stuff etc. nozzle tin pipes ginger whack
> > shit! DUDE! Have an exceptional life people - you deserve it!
>
> Um, have we been smoking anything sir? Something that rhymes with 'lot'?
>
> Don't suppose this is the best time to ask you about... Nah maybe not.
>

No that's definately the drink talking. Either that or a sinister attempt
by the new Black Magic to seriously undermine the credibility of Acid
Software. Either way me thinks someone needs their own email address.

Simon the Subtle


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Ok people, try this at home (ask a grown-up to help you)


Function.w a{var.w}
  NPrint var
  Function Return var*2
End Function

Function.w b{var.w}
  NPrint "Oh no! ",var
  Function Return var*10
End Function

main:
c{10}


Before you ask, yes it should be c{10} even though there is no
such function as c{}...

And the ouptut is
Oh no! 10
100

Jeez...talk about stupid eh?


Steve.
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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:09 1995
Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 11:11:22 +1200 (NZST)
From: Simon or Mark <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: making shape mask



On Wed, 3 May 1995 [e-mail] wrote:

>
>   Can anyone help me with the following problem?
>
>   I writing a game which uses a 4 bitplane bitmap (16 colours) as the main
>   screen, plus a 1 bitplane bitmap which is a b/w 'mask' of the main screen,
>   for doing all the collision detection.  I've got lots of 16 colour shapes
>   which I blit onto the main screen, and I want to be able to blit a mask of
>   these shapes onto the 1 bitplane screen.
>
>   If I try blitting a 16 col. shape on the 1 bitplane bitmap I get the
>   "Shape has too many bitplanes" error of course.
>
>   Is there any way of getting a 1 bitplane mask of these shapes, without
>   having to actually draw one myself?
>
>   [By a mask I mean colours numbered 1-15 become 'white' and colour 0
>   remains black]
>
>
>   Thanks for any help
>
>
>   Matt
>
>  ____________________________________________________________________________
> ////////// Matthew O'Donnell |||||||||||||||| [e-mail] \\\\\\\\\
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>

try 'BlitMode SolidMode'.


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:09 1995
Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 00:28:16 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Pedro J. Cervantes Pintor" <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: 3d cube



  I'm having troubles with a program, i just want to draw a
cube in 3d.

NEWTYPE.point
  x.w
  y.w
  z.w
End Newtype

NEWTYPE.cube
  c.point[8]
End Newtype

original.cube\c[1]\x=0,0,0              ;initializing ...
dx=100
dy=100                                  ;x offset
                                        ;y offset
Statement ini_cube {}
  SHARED original.cube
  original\c[1]\x=0,0,0                 ;...the real values
  original\c[1]\x=1,0,0                 ;MUST BE 1 unit long each side
  original\c[1]\x=1,1,0                 ;
  .
  .       ;just more assignments
  .

End Statement

Statement draw_cube {*c.cube,bmp.w,colour.w}
  SHARED dx,dy

  Use BitMap bmp
  Cls 0
  Line *c\c[1]\x+dx,*c\c[1]\y+dy,*c\c[2]\x+dx,*c\c[2]\y+dy,colour
  .
  .
  .        ;..and more "Lines"...
  .
End Statement


bitmap 0,320,200,3       ;NTSC height
bitmap 1,320,200,3
screen 0,3
ini_cube {}
draw_cube {&original,0,1}
ShowBitMap 0
MouseWait
End
;********************************************************************

   ...and my Amiga crashes !!!
   I think it's just a silly error, but i couldn't find it

..yes..yes.. it is a silly program too, but it is a
homework...   ;-[

  Pedro C.




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test 5 million


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:09 1995
Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 11:30:34 +0000 (BST)
From: Innell <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Another weird blitz bug


> In message <[e-mail]>,
>     Simon or Mark <[e-mail]> writes:
> >
> > Oh god! another weird bug! I really don't know what to do...seriously
> > guys, I'm a programmer with no formal trainging, who'se never been rich
> > enough to afford a 'complete set of developers docs' etc. whinge
> > cringe...what the fuck...I'm really happy that people like/can program in
> > Blitz Bastards version 5.bastard.stuff etc. nozzle tin pipes ginger whack
> > shit! DUDE! Have an exceptional life people - you deserve it!
>
> Um, have we been smoking anything sir? Something that rhymes with 'lot'?
>
> Don't suppose this is the best time to ask you about... Nah maybe not.
>
>
> Nigel Hughes
>
>
>

Heh,

well if tyhe programmers of the language are like this most of the time, it`s no
wonder it has such _weird_ bugs in it 8)

Steven.


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:09 1995
Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 13:04:27 +0100
From: MO Tiffany <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Another weird blitz bug

> > > Oh god! another weird bug! I really don't know what to do...seriously
> > > guys, I'm a programmer with no formal trainging, who'se never been rich
> > > enough to afford a 'complete set of developers docs' etc. whinge
> > > cringe...what the fuck...I'm really happy that people like/can program in
> > > Blitz Bastards version 5.bastard.stuff etc. nozzle tin pipes ginger whack
> > > shit! DUDE! Have an exceptional life people - you deserve it!
> >
> > Um, have we been smoking anything sir? Something that rhymes with 'lot'?
> >
> well if tyhe programmers of the language are like this most of the time, it`s
> no wonder it has such _weird_ bugs in it 8)
>
> Steven.

If they are then they were probably implemented as features rather
than bugs.  :}

SgtBilko / Mark Tiffany / Whatever other name i decided to call myself now....

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:09 1995
Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 09:27:47 -0500 (CDT)
From: Joe Bott <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Gadtools library

Hello! Just wondering if it is at all possible to recieve the latest
version of the gadtools library... I've just found out that I'm missing
an essential command (GTStatus) due to living in the US, and not
recieving BUM 7 as a result.

Being send BUM 7 would be better, but there might be some objections... :)

Joe



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:09 1995
Date: 04 May 95 17:49:09 -0100
From: Chris Feringa <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: GTButtons


Hi Vaughan,

In a message of 18 Apr 95 Vaughan Roberts  wrote to All:

 VR>  I hope someone out here can help, I want to mark a GTbutton as
 VR> disabled.  I have no worries turning it off (GTDisable), but what I
 VR> want to do is shade it in so people don't click on it.

After GTDisable you have to redraw the gadget.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:09 1995
Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 09:43:28 +1200 (NZST)
From: Simon or Mark <[e-mail]>
To: "Pedro J. Cervantes Pintor" <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: 3d cube

Are you having any luck with that cube drawing program. As far as
"I'm" concernced if there is a bug in blitz that makes your program crash
with runtime errors on I need to know about it.

Simon


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:09 1995
Date: Fri, 05 May 1995 07:43:44 +0000 (GMT)
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: making shape mask


>
>
> On Wed, 3 May 1995 [e-mail] wrote:
>
> >
> >   Can anyone help me with the following problem?
> >
> >   I writing a game which uses a 4 bitplane bitmap (16 colours) as the main
> >   screen, plus a 1 bitplane bitmap which is a b/w 'mask' of the main screen,
> >   for doing all the collision detection.  I've got lots of 16 colour shapes
> >   which I blit onto the main screen, and I want to be able to blit a mask of
> >   these shapes onto the 1 bitplane screen.
> >
> >   If I try blitting a 16 col. shape on the 1 bitplane bitmap I get the
> >   "Shape has too many bitplanes" error of course.
> >
> >   Is there any way of getting a 1 bitplane mask of these shapes, without
> >   having to actually draw one myself?
> >
> >   [By a mask I mean colours numbered 1-15 become 'white' and colour 0
> >   remains black]
> >
> > > >   Thanks for any help
> >
> >
> >   Matt
> >
>
> try 'BlitMode SolidMode'.
>

  I tried that, but still get the "Shape has too many bitplanes" error.
  The following program gives the same error:


      Bitmap 0,320,256,4
      Bitmap 1,320,256,1

      BLITZ

      Use Bitmap 0
      Boxf 0,0,10,10,1
      Getashape 0,0,0,10,10

      Use Bitmap 1
      BlitMode SolidMode    ; Also get same error using InvMode or EraseMode
      Blit 0,100,100


  Am I doing something horribly wrong or is this a bug?

  If anyone's got any ideas how to get round this, can they send them to
  my home address ([e-mail]) instead of the list,
  cos I'm on holiday for the next week (starting in 10 minutes)


  Thanks a lot,

  Matthew




From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:09 1995
Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 02:49:53 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Pedro J. Cervantes Pintor" <[e-mail]>
To: Simon or Mark <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: 3d cube



On Fri, 5 May 1995, Simon or Mark wrote:

> Are you having any luck with that cube drawing program. As far as
> "I'm" concernced if there is a bug in blitz that makes your program crash
> with runtime errors on I need to know about it.
>
 Simon:


  After several tests, i found that the problem
is in the "inicube" statement. Here is my program:

Newtype.point
  x.w
  y.w
  z.w
End Newtype

Newtype.cube
  c.point[8]
End Newtype

original.cube\c[1]\x=0

Statement inicube {}
  SHARED original.cube
  original\c[1]\x=0,0,0
  original\c[2]\x=1,0,0
  original\c[3]\x=1,1,0
  original\c[4]\x=0,1,0
  original\c[5]\x=0,0,1
  original\c[6]\x=1,0,1
  original\c[7]\x=1,1,1
  original\c[8]\x=0,1,1
End Statement

inicube {}

;*********************************************************

when i run this, i get the "Software error - task held ...."
without any Blitz error message. The Guru number is:
00000003.0000DE30

I tested this program in Blitz Basic 2 V1.7 ; the runtime
error debugger was activated with autorun and interrupt
checking; and  without any aditional libraries. My computer
is an Amiga 500, 1MbChip, 1 drive, OS 1.3


 maybe it's a Pedro's bug rather than a Blitz bug (i hope)

  Pedro C.


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:09 1995
Date: Fri, 05 May 1995 09:31:08 +0100
From: NIGEL HUGHES <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: 3d cube

In message <[e-mail]>,
    Simon or Mark <[e-mail]> writes:
> Are you having any luck with that cube drawing program. As far as
> "I'm" concernced if there is a bug in blitz that makes your program crash
> with runtime errors on I need to know about it.
>
> Simon
>
>

Talking about 3d, I still have those 3d libraries I sent to you ages ago.
You seemed very interested at the time, but I have heard nothing since.


I could give up and just give them to everybody and forget about the magazines.

They would have meant that this guy had a sloid, facet lit cube spinning by
now 8)

Nigel HUghes

From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:09 1995
Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 12:39:36 +0300
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Serial File Input Bug. Crash with Runtime Errors on

Just a quick note to say that I`ve had some problems using
Edit$ to input serial files into variables. The problem seemed
to be something to do with trying to load strings into an array
inside a NewType, but into an element outside those dimensioned
in the NewType definition (still with me?). To make things stranger
the bug vanished when the length of the string to be input with Edit$
was changed, (not necessarily down, just some values didn`t work).
BUT, THE WORST PART WAS...
the runtime error debugger didn`t catch the problem, but caused a
software failure. When my Last Alert proggy came up after the crash,
it seemed that the Blitz2 code had tried to access an illegal (ie. odd)
address! I was using Blitz 1.7 (I think), anyway the update supplied on
BUM 6. I`ve got the problem sorted now, by tidying up my code, but I still
don`t think that it should have bummed out like that, just trying to
access a non-existant array element... hmmmmm.

    just thought everyone might like to no, hope you`re paying
    attention Simon and Mark!

    Jim \:)

PS. Someone please tell me the email address for Simon and Mark, so I can
report stuff like this direct...

--
James Marshall`s address in the real world is currently:

    Murray House, Duryard Halls,
    Lower Argyll Road, Exeter.
    EX4 4RB




From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:09 1995
Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 19:35:41 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Pedro J. Cervantes Pintor" <[e-mail]>
To: Simon or Mark <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: 3d cube



On Fri, 5 May 1995, Simon or Mark wrote:

> Are you having any luck with that cube drawing program. As far as
> "I'm" concernced if there is a bug in blitz that makes your program crash
> with runtime errors on I need to know about it.
>
 Simon:


finally my program it's running; i just add an "Extra.w"
variable in the Newtype.cube definition

     Newtype.cube
       c.point[8]
       extra.w
     End Newtype


and that's it..
   ..GREETINGS !!!

  by the way, in future releases i would like to see things like this:

   Function.MyOwnType WOW {}
   .
   .
   End Function


Thing1.MyOwnType=.....

  thing2.MyOwnType=Thing1     etc,etc


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:09 1995
Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 19:44:07 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Pedro J. Cervantes Pintor" <[e-mail]>
To: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
Cc: "Ott M. Aaloe" <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
Subject: Re: RI (Func) lib and 1.3



On Tue, 28 Mar 1995, Stephen McNamara wrote:

> On Tue, 28 Mar 1995, Ott M. Aaloe wrote:
>
> > Does anyone use RI libs with KS 1.3 (or 1.2). I'm just wondering if
> > they're working coz I started to make a conversion from AGA to ECS/OCS
> > and when I tested it on A3000+softkicked 1.3 and some Funclibs
> > commands hang... For example Bload...and especially FileSize - the
> > debugger pops up with 'Line 1111 Emulator' ??. So anyone out there
> > know what's wrong?
>
> Currently we have no pre-AGA machines to work with other here and so have
> not been able to test any of the commands on anything lower than OS3.0.
> We'll have a look at these commands specifically (Bload & filesize) to
> see if they're doing anything naughty (e.g. possibly using post 1.2/3 OS
> functions) and tell you about anything we find.
>
> We'd also appreciate it if people can inform us of any further problems
> with our commands so that we can make any necessary upgrades/bug fixes.
>
>
 Steve Mc.:


 well yes, i had troubles with "Bload" and "Filesize" from
RIBlitzLibs  v4, in both commands i got the "Line 1111 Emulator" error

 ..GREETINGS!!!

  Pedro C.



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:09 1995
Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 21:47:40 +1200 (NZST)
From: Simon or Mark <[e-mail]>
To: Philipp Lonke <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Sorry, test!

Mark is rolling a joint, I'm looking for papers

and it's sarturday night

are any blitz users drinking vodka this evening????

simon (sith that little s)



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:09 1995
Date: 06 May 95 14:56:09 +0000
From: James Savage <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: 3d cube


Hullo there [e-mail],

On 6 May 95 you murmered to All about the gothic subject of '3d cube', and I
was just thinking...

 > when i run this, i get the "Software error - task held ...."
 > without any Blitz error message. The Guru number is:
 > 00000003.0000DE30
 >
 > I tested this program in Blitz Basic 2 V1.7 ; the runtime
 > error debugger was activated with autorun and interrupt
 > checking; and  without any aditional libraries. My computer
 > is an Amiga 500, 1MbChip, 1 drive, OS 1.3

That guru is an address error. Its caused by attempting to read or write a word
or longword that is at an uneven address. It only occurs on 68000 or 68010, so
it might not be Blitz or your code.

Catch you on the dark side...

James  founder of GOTHSOFT DEVELOPMENTS  and  ////\oo/\\\\ net.goth


... If rabbit's feet are so lucky, what happened to the rabbit???

 >> Gothic Tag v1.05 <<
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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:09 1995
Date: Sat, 6 May 95 23:39:46 CET
From: Philipp Lonke <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Include-XInclude problem

Hi there,

 I am just using the developper disk 1 with the system includes and
having some troubles with it ;(

I wrote a program that loaded some of the includes like this:

------ cut ---------

INCDIR "includes:"              ; that's where they are

XINCLUDE exec/types.bb2
XINCLUDE "intuition/intuitionbase.bb2"     ; in quotes because it's
                                           ; also a BB2-Keyword ;)
XINCLUDE intuition/intuition.bb2

...

------- end ---------

and all I get is wether the message "Garbage at end of line" or
"include could not be loaded".

How to get it to work?

--
Philipp Lonke * [e-mail] * postal adress on demand
"Lehrerkommödie: Die Armut der Lehrer, während die Staaten Unsummen für
die Wehrmacht hinauswerfen. Da sie nur Lehrer für 600 DM sich leisten
können, bleiben die Völker so dumm, daß sie sich Kriege für 60
Milliarden leisten müssen." (Ch. Morgenstern, "Aphorismen")


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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:09 1995
Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 14:30:52 +0100
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: RE(2): Sorry, test!

Those of us that aren't drinking vodka, are skinning up for all
we're worth.

Sit back, skin up, spark up and chill out.

dan.

From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:09 1995
Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 11:00:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Greg Siklos <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: wbwidth & wbheight

Hi all

    I,ve just run into a weird problem concerning wbwidth & wbheight. For
some reason they are suddenly returning the wrong sizes for my workbench
screens for example my wbench is set for 676 width and 467 height and WBwidth
returns 640 &WBheight returns 400. I haven't ever had any sort of problem
with these commmands  before so I'm trying to figure out how to rectify
the situation. I am using V1.9 on an a4000/040 plus I recently used Moned3
to change the position of my DBLntsc Screens so they are centered properly.
I'm not sure if this could be the problem so if any of you GURU's know the
deal I'd be greatful for any help.

                    Thanks In Advance !

Greg Siklos





From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:09 1995
Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 16:16:56 +0100 (BST)
From: Ricky Clarke <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Just a few quickies...


  ( NOTE: This message has been sent before but I'm not sure whether it actually got through or not... So here goes again...)

  Hello all!

  Can anybody help me with any of the following please?


  Query #1:

   I have written an intuition program which uses GTLists quite a lot.
 I was wondering if anybody out there knows of, or would be interested in
 engineering, an implementation of the 'GTListHit' command below...

  ; Code starts here. Don't try to execute/run it - IT WON'T WORK ;)

    Select WaitEvent        ;Wait for an IDCMPEvent to occur
    Case #GadgetUpEvent     ;A gadget has been released
      Select GTListHit
      Case 0
        Select GadgetHit
        Case 0
        Case 1
        End Select
      Case 1
        Select GadgetHit
        Case 0
        Case 1
        End Select
      End Select
    End Select

  ; Code ends

   As you can see from the above, I would like 'GTListHit' to return/hold the
 GTList object number that the selected GTGadget exists within. I know this
 is probably rather wordy and not particularly well explained... Sorry :)


  Query #2:

   In the program I mentioned above I've been developing my own GTList
 scaling routines. Using the 'DetachGTList', 'GTFreeGadget' and 'Free GTList'
 command combination I've been deallocating GTLists and then reallocating
 them at a different size. It seems, bowever, that the GTLists that I've
 finished with and have (supposedly) got rid of (i.e. No longer take up
 memory) are NOT actually being cleared from memory until the program finally
 terminates. I don't think this is the fault of either of the first two
 commands memtioned, however, I'm not sure...
   I really do need some help with with this as a constant memory drain every
 time a GTList is reattached makes my program completely usless (Seeing as
 that is, in effect, its purpose :) )


  Query #3:

   Did anything ever come of the 'IconToShape' command that I asked about a
 while back (esp. RI-Group and Elmore)? I'm still interested in using such a
 command.


  Thanks for bothering to read this request (And for any help)...

    Ricky Clarke (EMail: [e-mail] or [e-mail])


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:09 1995
Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 10:53:31 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Richard T. Elmore" <[e-mail]>
To: Greg Siklos <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: wbwidth & wbheight

On Sun, 7 May 1995, Greg Siklos wrote:

>     I,ve just run into a weird problem concerning wbwidth & wbheight. For
> some reason they are suddenly returning the wrong sizes for my workbench
> screens for example my wbench is set for 676 width and 467 height and WBwidth
> returns 640 &WBheight returns 400. I haven't ever had any sort of problem

WBWidth, WBHeight and WBViewmode functions are all buggy when it comes to
screen types unavailable prior to 2.0 or 3.0, or with widths beyond 640
and heights beyond 512.  I wrote a library some time ago to address this
problem by providing the true values for ANY screen you open or
"FindScreen."  (Including WBToScreen x)  If you're interested, please
contact me.

    +---------------------------------------------------------------+
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    | E-MAIL: [e-mail]          TEL: [phone] |
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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:09 1995
Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 11:58:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Josh Farley <[e-mail]>
To: Greg Siklos <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: wbwidth & wbheight



On Sun, 7 May 1995, Greg Siklos wrote:

>     I,ve just run into a weird problem concerning wbwidth & wbheight. For
> some reason they are suddenly returning the wrong sizes for my workbench
> screens for example my wbench is set for 676 width and 467 height and WBwidth
> returns 640 &WBheight returns 400. I haven't ever had any sort of problem

  I had the same problem... Blitz's commands will only return the default
values... to get the "real" values, do the following:

WBToScreen 0
*s0.Screen=peek.l(addr screen(0))
wx=*s0\Width
wy=*s0\Height


  This should work...

Josh Farley     Netmail: 1:119/88     E-Mail: [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:09 1995
Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 14:26:42 -0500 (CDT)
From: Maestria en Filosofia <[e-mail]>
To: "Richard T. Elmore" <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Blitter



  Where can i find information about drawing lines using the Blitter?

  Pedro C.


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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:09 1995
Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 05:40:04 +1200 (NZST)
From: Simon or Mark <[e-mail]>
To: Philipp Lonke <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Include-XInclude problem



On Sat, 6 May 1995, Philipp Lonke wrote:

> Hi there,
>
>  I am just using the developper disk 1 with the system includes and
> having some troubles with it ;(
>
> I wrote a program that loaded some of the includes like this:
>
> ------ cut ---------
>
> INCDIR "includes:"              ; that's where they are
>
> XINCLUDE exec/types.bb2
> XINCLUDE "intuition/intuitionbase.bb2"     ; in quotes because it's
>                                            ; also a BB2-Keyword ;)
> XINCLUDE intuition/intuition.bb2
>
> ...
>
> ------- end ---------
>
> and all I get is wether the message "Garbage at end of line" or
> "include could not be loaded".
>
> How to get it to work?

I think the Includes need to be tokenised, not just ascii. You may have
to load the includes into Blitz, and re-save them to tokenise them.

Mark


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:09 1995
Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 16:45:47 +1200 (NZST)
From: Simon or Mark <[e-mail]>
To: blitz list <[e-mail]>
Subject: Bouncing German Mail Masters...


Who is Post Master <[e-mail]> and why do all my posts
to the blitzlist get bounced back to me???????????

>
> - ihr Prometheus-Mailbox-System
>

Yeh, great stuff indeed...


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:09 1995
Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 07:46:38 -47900
From: The Crow <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Thanks for scroll example, but ...



>> Brett,
>>
>> Thanks for taking the time to send me a map block scroll example.
>>
>> I'm afraid though that it doesn't really help me too much.
>>
>>     - This is a good horizontal scroll example (which to some degree I am
>>       familiar with).  I also understand how to do a vertical scroll
>>       routine.  My problem is trying to write a horizontal/vertical
>>       scroll routine where I can change quickly from scrolling left/right to
>>       up/down.
>>
>> I REALLY NEED this routine since it is a key part of my intended game's
>> "engine".  I can't really do to much without it since I am trying to write
>> a small demo to ensure that what I want to do is feasible.
>>
>> Can you still help me on this, or should I try the Blitz-list again?
>
>    I have an example of scrolling left or right in the same game that I
>        wrote last year, I have also wrote up and down. However I
>        don't know about combining both. If you only want to scroll
>        4 ways it shouldn't be too hard! :-)
>    I was trying to make an 8 way scroller but I started writing a
>        side on shootem-up (ATOMHEAD), and so I stopped.
>
>    You could do it with a large bitmap, 640x512, and use the same
>    scrolling techniques sort of separately, depending on which
>    way you want to scroll? Could waste memory though... Umm..
>    Ask the list, I'll have a think about it...
>
>                    Brett.

Can anyone help me on this?  I cant believe all Blitz games have been only
left/right or up/down scrollers.

Thanks


Tom


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:09 1995
Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 18:43:03 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Mikko Makela <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Thanks for scroll example, but ... (fwd)

help (this is here only for testing purposes)

Forwarded message:
> Can anyone help me on this?  I cant believe all Blitz games have been only
> left/right or up/down scrollers.
>
Well, if I remember rigth, there is one game made by Acid (Mark ?)
in the aminet, which scrolls to all directions, and what`s more,
the source is scrolled on the screen when beginning the game.
Sorry, I don`t remember the name rigth now, but maybe someone else
can tell it (assuming I`m rigth about the game).

-Mikko





From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:09 1995
Date: Mon, 8 May 95 19:02:27 CET
From: Philipp Lonke <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Bouncing German Mail Masters...

Hi Simon, you wrote in <[e-mail]> on May 8:

> Who is Post Master <[e-mail]> and why do all my posts
> to the blitzlist get bounced back to me???????????
>
> >
> > - ihr Prometheus-Mailbox-System
> >
>
> Yeh, great stuff indeed...

I wrote to the Sysop of this box to take a look at this and to
unsubscribe this user who is not existant.

--
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die Wehrmacht hinauswerfen. Da sie nur Lehrer für 600 DM sich leisten
können, bleiben die Völker so dumm, daß sie sich Kriege für 60
Milliarden leisten müssen." (Ch. Morgenstern, "Aphorismen")


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:09 1995
Date: Mon, 8 May 95 19:04:31 CET
From: Philipp Lonke <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Just a few quickies...

Hi Ricky, you wrote in <[e-mail]> on May 7:

>  scaling routines. Using the 'DetachGTList', 'GTFreeGadget' and 'Free GTList'
>  command combination I've been deallocating GTLists and then reallocating
>  them at a different size. It seems, bowever, that the GTLists that I've

Mmmm... I am currently using BB2 v1.9 and I didn't found GTFreeGadget
and DetachGTList accepted by BB2 ... is there a new version of the
Gadtools-Library I didn't got?

--
Philipp Lonke * [e-mail] * postal adress on demand
"Lehrerkommödie: Die Armut der Lehrer, während die Staaten Unsummen für
die Wehrmacht hinauswerfen. Da sie nur Lehrer für 600 DM sich leisten
können, bleiben die Völker so dumm, daß sie sich Kriege für 60
Milliarden leisten müssen." (Ch. Morgenstern, "Aphorismen")


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:09 1995
Date: Mon, 8 May 95 20:03:33 CET
From: Philipp Lonke <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Errors in the AmigaOS-Includes

First I am wondering wether I am the first person to use the Includes (I
got them from BB2 Distribution in Colognia) or the only one having
buggy system includes...

It all started with my program (converting some C includes for TRITON
(a very good GUI Enhancer!!) that I needed the system includes for it.

*BUT* using 'XINCLUDE' seems to work within one (same!) file, but it
doesn't work with several files, like in the system includes.

I xincluded e.g. "exec/types.bb2"
this file xincluded "exec/nodes.bb2" and "exec/lists.bb2"
these files xincluded *both* "exec/types.bb2" again. Result: Error.
I found it out compiling these files after having removed the xinclude
lines...

So, what does this %/&§(!-xinclude command exists, when it doesn't
work right??


And: There are some bugs in the includes ... Keywords enclosed by
other letters so that the compiler doesn't recognize them ...

--
Philipp Lonke * [e-mail] * postal adress on demand
"Lehrerkommödie: Die Armut der Lehrer, während die Staaten Unsummen für
die Wehrmacht hinauswerfen. Da sie nur Lehrer für 600 DM sich leisten
können, bleiben die Völker so dumm, daß sie sich Kriege für 60
Milliarden leisten müssen." (Ch. Morgenstern, "Aphorismen")


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Hullo there [e-mail],

On 6 May 95 you murmered to All about the gothic subject of '3d cube', and I
was just thinking...

 > when i run this, i get the "Software error - task held ...."
 > without any Blitz error message. The Guru number is:
 > 00000003.0000DE30
 >
 > I tested this program in Blitz Basic 2 V1.7 ; the runtime
 > error debugger was activated with autorun and interrupt
 > checking; and  without any aditional libraries. My computer
 > is an Amiga 500, 1MbChip, 1 drive, OS 1.3

That guru is an address error. Its caused by attempting to read or write a word
or longword that is at an uneven address. It only occurs on 68000 or 68010, so
it might not be Blitz or your code.

Catch you on the dark side...

James  founder of GOTHSOFT DEVELOPMENTS  and  ////\oo/\\\\ net.goth


... If rabbit's feet are so lucky, what happened to the rabbit???

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Hi there,

 I am just using the developper disk 1 with the system includ=
es and
having some troubles with it ;(

I wrote a program that loaded some of the includes like this:

------ cut ---------

INCDIR "includes:"              ; that's where they are

XINCLUDE exec/types.bb2
XINCLUDE "intuition/intuitionbase.bb2"     ; in quotes becaus=
e it's
                                           ; also a BB2-Keywo=
rd ;)
XINCLUDE intuition/intuition.bb2

...

------- end ---------

and all I get is wether the message "Garbage at end of line" =
or
"include could not be loaded".

How to get it to work?

--=20
Philipp Lonke * [e-mail] * postal adress on =
demand
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Milliarden leisten m=FCssen." (Ch. Morgenstern, "Aphorismen")



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:10 1995
Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 19:54:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ralph Barbagallo <[e-mail]>
To: Brett Cooper <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: ShapeZ II is Cool!


    Where can I get ShapezII?  I really need a utility like that.


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:10 1995
Date: Tue, 9 May 95 06:24:47 +1300
From: Brett Cooper <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: ShapeZ II is Cool!

Hello Blitzers,

I'm here to tell you how impressed I am with Nigel.H's ShapeZ II program.
It's a commercial quality shape editor that's both real simple to use and
very powerfull.

Nigel has put alot of time and energy into it and it really shows.  If
you need a shape editor,  then this is the one to get.  Well done Nigel.

The check is in the mail,  keep up the execlent work.

Brett
[e-mail]  (Brett Cooper)
                           --- HELLONEARTHISMAN ---


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:10 1995
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 12:25:23 +1000 (EST)
From: Brett Johansen <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: map editor that lets you draw as well?



    My graphics artist is drawing the map tiles for our
        side-on-shootemup. We have struck a few problems!

    PROBLEM 1:
        The RI map editor (I think that is it - sorry guys :-))
    only works on the 1200 and my graphics man only has a 2000!


    PROBLEM 2:
        Does anybody know of a map editor that allows you to
        edit the tiles and place them all in the one package.

            I know this is a pretty big ask.

    SOLUTION 1:
        I write all this stuff myself!
        Not super keen to do this, basically a simple editor
            that works in the game itself not separate.

    SOLUTION 2:
        Find stuff already made on the net, and use it.


            Any ideas
                Brett Johansen.


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:10 1995
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 09:17:26 +0100
From: MO Tiffany <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: wbwidth & wbheight


>     I,ve just run into a weird problem concerning wbwidth & wbheight. For
> some reason they are suddenly returning the wrong sizes for my workbench
> screens for example my wbench is set for 676 width and 467 height and WBwidth
> returns 640 &WBheight returns 400. I haven't ever had any sort of problem
> with these commmands  before so I'm trying to figure out how to rectify
> the situation. I am using V1.9 on an a4000/040 plus I recently used Moned3
> to change the position of my DBLntsc Screens so they are centered properly.
> I'm not sure if this could be the problem so if any of you GURU's know the
> deal I'd be greatful for any help.

I bumped into this one some time ago , its quite easy to get round, but because
by Amigas dead at the mo, i cant give you any exact code...
BUT - I`ll try and do it off the top of my head.

NB: full newtypes are in amigalibs.res, or can be convertted from the RKMs
    You need .Screen

function.w WBW
  WBToScreen 0
  *s.Screen=peek.l(addr Screen (0))
  function return *s\width
end function

and replace width with height for WBH.  Thats something like it, but as i said, i cant say for sure, or even that this code is good (havent touched Blitz for about 6 weeks now!)

Mark Tiffany / SgtBilko
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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:10 1995
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 09:25:41 +0100 (BST)
From: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
To: Brett Johansen <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: map editor that lets you draw as well?

On Tue, 9 May 1995, Brett Johansen wrote:

>     My graphics artist is drawing the map tiles for our
>         side-on-shootemup. We have struck a few problems!
>
>     PROBLEM 1:
>         The RI map editor (I think that is it - sorry guys :-))
>     only works on the 1200 and my graphics man only has a 2000!

Get the latest version from Aminet as LESMapEditorV2 (or something).
It much more stable and shouldn't fall down badly on pre OS3.0.

>     PROBLEM 2:
>         Does anybody know of a map editor that allows you to
>         edit the tiles and place them all in the one package.

The latest map editor has an ARexx port with a large instruction base.
It doesn't support editing itself, but once ShapeZ II has be upgraded
(Nigel? :) ) to have an ARexx port both programs will be set up to
communicate together and swap shapes - meaning that you'll be able to
import/export between the programs.



Steve Mc.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:10 1995
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 09:27:44 +0100 (BST)
From: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
To: Blitzlist <[e-mail]>
Subject: GadTools Menus

Well I was bored yesterday so I wrote a quick Gadtools menu library.  Its
not fully working yet (still gotta add a GTSubItem command) but it does
work in exactly the same was to the original menus lib.  Meaning that
you can exchange all MenuTitle commands with GTMenuTitle without any
syntax problems.

The bar separators are also available for you to use, and since its
GadTools all the laying out is done beautifully :)


Later,
Steve Mc.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:10 1995
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 09:34:02 +0100 (BST)
From: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
To: Ricky Clarke <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Just a few quickies...

On Sun, 7 May 1995, Ricky Clarke wrote:

>   Query #1:
>
>    I have written an intuition program which uses GTLists quite a lot.
>  I was wondering if anybody out there knows of, or would be interested in
>  engineering, an implementation of the 'GTListHit' command below...
>
>   ; Code starts here. Don't try to execute/run it - IT WON'T WORK ;)

[Code deleted]

>    As you can see from the above, I would like 'GTListHit' to return/hold the
>  GTList object number that the selected GTGadget exists within. I know this
>  is probably rather wordy and not particularly well explained... Sorry :)

You don't really need a command like this, just have unique gadget IDs
between the lists.  For example, for gadgets on gtlist 0 have IDs
counting from 100, for gtlist 1 have IDs counting from 200 etc.

Not sure how easy/hard it'd be to implement the GTListHit command.  It'd
certainly be a little tricky since the same gadget IDs can exist in
different GTLists.

>   Query #2:
>
>    In the program I mentioned above I've been developing my own GTList
>  scaling routines. Using the 'DetachGTList', 'GTFreeGadget' and 'Free GTList'
>  command combination I've been deallocating GTLists and then reallocating
>  them at a different size. It seems, bowever, that the GTLists that I've
>  finished with and have (supposedly) got rid of (i.e. No longer take up
>  memory) are NOT actually being cleared from memory until the program finally
>  terminates. I don't think this is the fault of either of the first two
>  commands memtioned, however, I'm not sure...
>    I really do need some help with with this as a constant memory drain every
>  time a GTList is reattached makes my program completely usless (Seeing as
>  that is, in effect, its purpose :) )

There shouldn't be any mem drain in you're using the latest update to the
GT library that I released.  I'm pretty certain that I found every case
that was chewing memory - I tested several programs with MemMeter and did
loads of attaching/detaching/freeing etc without any drain.  Maybe this
is another OS problem - since I am only able to test on OS3.0 I cannot be
entirely sure that the code is working okay, although there is no obvious
reason as to why it wouldn't be working.

>   Query #3:
>
>    Did anything ever come of the 'IconToShape' command that I asked about a
>  while back (esp. RI-Group and Elmore)? I'm still interested in using such a
>  command.

Errrmmmm..... well I meant to get around to it - just been too busy :)
Sorry, try and do it soon....


Steve Mc.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:10 1995
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 09:58:52 +0100 (BST)
From: Chris Andrews <[e-mail]>
To: Blitz-List <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Thanks for scroll example, but ... (fwd)

On Mon, 8 May 1995, Mikko Makela wrote:

> > Can anyone help me on this?  I cant believe all Blitz games have been only
> > left/right or up/down scrollers.
> >
> Well, if I remember rigth, there is one game made by Acid (Mark ?)
> in the aminet, which scrolls to all directions, and what`s more,
[..]

  It came in the box on one of the blitz PD disks when I purchased it.

--Chris

  I could mail the source i suppose?

  Excuse my english because er, I'm english.
  It's early.






From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:10 1995
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 12:31:23 +0300
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Scroll example

The Acid 8-way scroller with the source scrolled on at the start
is called Bug-Blast or something like that, but it`s not tile based
scrolling, just a standard over-size bitmap... sorry Mikko
    Jim \:)




From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:10 1995
Date: Tue, 09 May 1995 11:22:59 +0100
From: NIGEL HUGHES <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: map editor that lets you draw as well?

In message <Pine.SUN.3.90.950509092257.7881B-100000@anubis>,
    Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]> writes:
> On Tue, 9 May 1995, Brett Johansen wrote:
>
> >     My graphics artist is drawing the map tiles for our
> >         side-on-shootemup. We have struck a few problems!
> >
> >     PROBLEM 1:
> >         The RI map editor (I think that is it - sorry guys :-))
> >     only works on the 1200 and my graphics man only has a 2000!
>
> Get the latest version from Aminet as LESMapEditorV2 (or something).
> It much more stable and shouldn't fall down badly on pre OS3.0.

Same goes for ShapeZ II. It should be fine, it even works with GFX card
screen modes...

> >     PROBLEM 2:
> >         Does anybody know of a map editor that allows you to
> >         edit the tiles and place them all in the one package.
>
> The latest map editor has an ARexx port with a large instruction base.
> It doesn't support editing itself, but once ShapeZ II has be upgraded
> (Nigel? :) ) to have an ARexx port both programs will be set up to
> communicate together and swap shapes - meaning that you'll be able to
> import/export between the programs.

Yeah this is my next job. I was going to have a hack this evening.
What you will hopefully be able to do is even have the ShapeZ windows open
on the Map Editor screen. ShapeZ and MapEd will communicate through AREXX
letting each other know what is going on. Once you have started both programs
you need not know that you are using two separate programs.

Sounds OK to you?

> Steve Mc.

Should have something for people by the end of the week.

Nigel Hughes

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:10 1995
Date: Tue, 09 May 1995 11:24:54 +0100
From: NIGEL HUGHES <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: ShapeZ II is Cool!

In message <[e-mail]>,
    Ralph Barbagallo <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>     Where can I get ShapezII?  I really need a utility like that.
>
>

You just say to me,

    "YOU NIGEL! EMAIL ME A COPY OF SHAPEZ II YOU COOL MOTHER!"

    And I'll think about sending you a copy 8)

    Nigel

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:10 1995
Date: Tue, 9 May 95 15:50:03 CET
From: Falk Nieder <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Bouncing German Mail Masters...


  Reply to: Acid
  Subject : Bouncing German Mail Masters...
  Date:   : 08.05.95


So>
So> Who is Post Master <[e-mail]> and why do all my posts
So> to the blitzlist get bounced back to me???????????
So>
So> >
So> > - ihr Prometheus-Mailbox-System
So> >

hups? I don't know, which address do you write to? My address is
[e-mail] and I have no problems to recevive Mails via
Internet (hi Andreas Studer ;-)

So>
So> Yeh, great stuff indeed...

I'm sorry, perhaps you can try it again and put the whole error message in
the list?


bye,

Falk


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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:10 1995
Date: 09 May 95 15:58:00 BST
From: Mr M L Funnell <[e-mail]>
To: Maestria en Filosofia <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail], [e-mail]
Subject: RE: Blitter


There is some source on aminet called TIPlinedraw  /dev/something




From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:10 1995
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 16:50:02 EST
From: MACIEJ GORNY <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Q: Blank 'System Request' under 1.3 with .exe files

I have a weird problem. When i created an executable and then tried
to run it from Workbench, I get this strange looking system requester
window: no message, even buttons do not have letters on them. The
whole requester window is blank, only buttons' outlines are visible.

Weird. Did anybody have similar experience?

maciej


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:10 1995
Date: Wed, 10 May 95 08:22:53 +1300
From: Brett Cooper <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: GadTools Menus

Hi Stephen,

> Well I was bored yesterday so I wrote a quick Gadtools menu library. Its
> not fully working yet (still gotta add a GTSubItem command) but it does
> work in exactly the same was to the original menus lib.  Meaning that
> you can exchange all MenuTitle commands with GTMenuTitle without any
> syntax problems.
>
> The bar separators are also available for you to use, and since its
> GadTools all the laying out is done beautifully :)
>
>
> Later,
> Steve Mc.

Has this cool menu library been uploaded to one of the blitz ftp sites?

Sincerely
    Brett


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:10 1995
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 10:55:47 +0100
From: MO Tiffany <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Q: Blank 'System Request' under 1.3 with .exe files


> I have a weird problem. When i created an executable and then tried
> to run it from Workbench, I get this strange looking system requester
> window: no message, even buttons do not have letters on them. The
> whole requester window is blank, only buttons' outlines are visible.
>
> Weird. Did anybody have similar experience?

Is this on a 1.3 machine?  because Virtual Worlds frequently brings up these
things when it crashes on a 1.3 machine (but the same executable works fine on
a 2.0+ machine).  Is this to do with library problems?

Oh, when run from a cli, these appear less often - its a very intermittent
thing.  The requester i think possibly does have  _some_ text, but its in
white on white - and is only just visible on the window borders.  If youve seen
it then you`ll know what i mean.  And then maybe you`ll know what the hell it
is!

Mark Tiffany / SgtBilko

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:10 1995
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 22:30:43 +1200 (NZST)
From: Simon or Mark <[e-mail]>
To: MO Tiffany <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Q: Blank 'System Request' under 1.3 with .exe files



On Wed, 10 May 1995, MO Tiffany wrote:

>
> > I have a weird problem. When i created an executable and then tried
> > to run it from Workbench, I get this strange looking system requester
> > window: no message, even buttons do not have letters on them. The
> > whole requester window is blank, only buttons' outlines are visible.
> >
> > Weird. Did anybody have similar experience?
>
This means you have runtime errors enabled. If you get an out of memory
experience then my guess is the machine can't even handle telling you
that it is out of remember.

I use to know how to fix this... shit I've forgotten.

Simon


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:10 1995
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 22:50:43 +1200 (NZST)
From: Simon or Mark <[e-mail]>
To: blitz list <[e-mail]>
Subject: What the hell is happening at Acid


Hmmm,

Well we had to cancel the ABC cover disk for Amiga Format.

We have printed the new manuals, and I am finding my one very
good all though I fogot the bb2 object listings which I miss...

I (Simon) have just finished a major program for Television which
involves zooming through the body and playing games in different organs.
This has taken some 3 months of my time.

Acid Software is very much in overdraft, I would say how much but our New
Zealand dollar is doing some very stupid things grrrrr

We will be having cash injected when both the TV company pays for the
work I have done and we do a deal with CodeMasters for publishing rights
to Skid Sega which is coming along very nicely.

BUM8 is coming, over 1500 people world wide are majorly pissed off with
me and Icannot go on with out appeasing these bad vibes which arrive
daily in the mailbox, via the phone, through the net and occasioanally
the odd drunk down at the pub...

BUM8 will not include a new editor, it will include some Acid libraries
and a section of the new manual with the rest of it available to you our
humble users at cost plus nz%.

The new manual IS ringbound, and Giles our UK manager will be happy to
print sections for those wanting to offer printed documentation to their
libraries.

Blitz, the Jaguar and Andrew's Amiga are now connected and doing well. We
have some 400 polygons in half a frame and we think the Jaguar is well
quite a suitable graphics adaptor for an Amiga, quite frankly I do not
see how C= can come out with a chipset that is better or cheaper.

So what does this all mean? Yes ABC will be ready for release when Escom
rolls out the Amiga again. I advise all Blitz users to get off their buts
and get some demo's together so we can really push it and help make the
Amiga a success once again. I can count the number of programs written in
Blitz that I think do it justice one two hands. I hope there is a lot
going down that I don't know about...

As for Mark, he is still as gloomy a flatmate as one could want... He IS
going to get his own internet account so I can reclaim my electronic
responsibility. Actually our discussions regarding networking are kind of
exciting and of course his help with getting our Jaguar/Sega support for
Blitz going has been invaluable.

Anyway, I AM sorry about the lack of support and not replying to things I
should have. Depending on how the money flows I'd say there's a good
possibility Acid could be the great company you all think it should be.
However We do have to pay the bills so I'll blame it all on the hardware
and it's manufaturers, shush, typical software company...

Simon

p.s. can someone please post this on blitz-ami

p.p.s. wasn't the X-Files good tonight?




From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:10 1995
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 12:17:01 +0100
From: NIGEL HUGHES <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: What the hell is happening at Acid

In message <[e-mail]>,
    Simon or Mark <[e-mail]> writes:
>
> Hmmm,
>
> Well we had to cancel the ABC cover disk for Amiga Format.

Sorry to hear that.

> We have printed the new manuals, and I am finding my one very
> good all though I fogot the bb2 object listings which I miss...

Well if it is ring bound...

> I (Simon) have just finished a major program for Television which
> involves zooming through the body and playing games in different organs.
> This has taken some 3 months of my time.

Sounds way cool!

> Acid Software is very much in overdraft, I would say how much but our New
> Zealand dollar is doing some very stupid things grrrrr

Me too 8(

> We will be having cash injected when both the TV company pays for the
> work I have done and we do a deal with CodeMasters for publishing rights
> to Skid Sega which is coming along very nicely.

Yeah that sounds promising.

> BUM8 is coming, over 1500 people world wide are majorly pissed off with
> me and Icannot go on with out appeasing these bad vibes which arrive
> daily in the mailbox, via the phone, through the net and occasioanally
> the odd drunk down at the pub...

We just want to give you some money 8)

> BUM8 will not include a new editor, it will include some Acid libraries
> and a section of the new manual with the rest of it available to you our
> humble users at cost plus nz%.

Will it still be tokenised?

> The new manual IS ringbound, and Giles our UK manager will be happy to
> print sections for those wanting to offer printed documentation to their
> libraries.

That sounds good.

> Blitz, the Jaguar and Andrew's Amiga are now connected and doing well. We
> have some 400 polygons in half a frame and we think the Jaguar is well
> quite a suitable graphics adaptor for an Amiga, quite frankly I do not
> see how C= can come out with a chipset that is better or cheaper.

What would be the set up cost etc?

> So what does this all mean? Yes ABC will be ready for release when Escom
> rolls out the Amiga again. I advise all Blitz users to get off their buts
> and get some demo's together so we can really push it and help make the
> Amiga a success once again. I can count the number of programs written in
> Blitz that I think do it justice one two hands. I hope there is a lot
> going down that I don't know about...

Have you seen the new version of ShapeZ? People seem to like it, and I would
be happy if you wanted to make it the official Blitz Shape Grabber. I
think you will find it a capable and powerful sytsem. Let me know if you would
like it e-mailed to you.

> Anyway, I AM sorry about the lack of support and not replying to things I
> should have. Depending on how the money flows I'd say there's a good
> possibility Acid could be the great company you all think it should be.
> However We do have to pay the bills so I'll blame it all on the hardware
> and it's manufaturers, shush, typical software company...

I think all I want from you Simon, is for you to keep us all up to
date. I know how long it takes to do stuff, just let us know what is going
on.

> Simon

> p.p.s. wasn't the X-Files good tonight?

Dunno, which episode was it?



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:10 1995
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 23:18:03 +1200 (NZST)
From: Simon or Mark <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Scroll example



On Tue, 9 May 1995 [e-mail] wrote:

> The Acid 8-way scroller with the source scrolled on at the start
> is called Bug-Blast or something like that, but it`s not tile based
> scrolling, just a standard over-size bitmap... sorry Mikko
>     Jim \:)
>
Does anyone want to talk about game play?


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:10 1995
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 06:40:50 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Richard T. Elmore" <[e-mail]>
To: MACIEJ GORNY <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Q: Blank 'System Request' under 1.3 with .exe files


On Tue, 9 May 1995, MACIEJ GORNY wrote:

> I have a weird problem. When i created an executable and then tried
> to run it from Workbench, I get this strange looking system requester
> window: no message, even buttons do not have letters on them. The
> whole requester window is blank, only buttons' outlines are visible.


It sounds to me like you left "runtime errors" enabled when you compiled
your program.  Since BUM7 at least, if you leave runtime errors enabled
in an executeable you create, be sure there is an "END" statement at the
end of your program, or this requester will appear.


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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:10 1995
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 13:41:13 +0100
From: MO Tiffany <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: What the hell is happening at Acid

> > Anyway, I AM sorry about the lack of support and not replying to things I
> > should have. Depending on how the money flows I'd say there's a good
> > possibility Acid could be the great company you all think it should be.
> > However We do have to pay the bills so I'll blame it all on the hardware
> > and it's manufaturers, shush, typical software company...
>
> I think all I want from you Simon, is for you to keep us all up to
> date. I know how long it takes to do stuff, just let us know what is going
> on.

Agreed.

> > p.p.s. wasn't the X-Files good tonight?
>
> Dunno, which episode was it?

Do you need to know what episode - its always good!

Mark Tiffany / SgtBilko

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:10 1995
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 13:46:44 +0100
From: MO Tiffany <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Scroll example

> > The Acid 8-way scroller with the source scrolled on at the start
> > is called Bug-Blast or something like that, but it`s not tile based
> > scrolling, just a standard over-size bitmap... sorry Mikko
> >     Jim \:)
> >
> Does anyone want to talk about game play?

Whats that?   ;P

And isnt fore-play a more interesting subject?

SgtBilko

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:10 1995
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 13:50:21 +0100 (BST)
From: Pink <[e-mail]>
To: The Blitz list <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: RE: 3d Cube

On Fri, 5 May 1995, Pedro J. Cervantes Pintor wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, 5 May 1995, Simon or Mark wrote:
>
> > Are you having any luck with that cube drawing program. As far as
> > "I'm" concernced if there is a bug in blitz that makes your program crash
> > with runtime errors on I need to know about it.
> >
>  Simon:
>
>
> finally my program it's running; i just add an "Extra.w"
> variable in the Newtype.cube definition
>
>      Newtype.cube
>        c.point[8]
>        extra.w
>      End Newtype
>
This is a bit of a hack.  The reason that the program crashed is that the
range of the index should be from 0 to 7, NOT from 1 to 8.  The version
of Blitz in Bum7 now checks this range if run time errors are enabled, so
I guess you`re using an older version.  I`m suprised Simon or Mark didn`t
notice this problem :)

>
> and that's it..
>    ..GREETINGS !!!
>
>   by the way, in future releases i would like to see things like this:
>
>    Function.MyOwnType WOW {}
>    .
>    .
>    End Function
>
>
> Thing1.MyOwnType=.....
>
>   thing2.MyOwnType=Thing1     etc,etc
>
>
>
I agree totally.  It would also be nice to be able to do a Dim in a
Function or a Statement.  Either to redim a SHARED variable and/or to Dim
a temporary variable for use within the Function/Statement.


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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:10 1995
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 16:58:19 +0100 (BST)
From: Marky B <[e-mail]>
To: MO Tiffany <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: What the hell is happening at Acid

On Wed, 10 May 1995, MO Tiffany wrote:

> > > Anyway, I AM sorry about the lack of support and not replying to things I
> > > should have. Depending on how the money flows I'd say there's a good
> > > possibility Acid could be the great company you all think it should be.
> > > However We do have to pay the bills so I'll blame it all on the hardware
> > > and it's manufaturers, shush, typical software company...
> >
> > I think all I want from you Simon, is for you to keep us all up to
> > date. I know how long it takes to do stuff, just let us know what is going
> > on.
>
> Agreed.
>
> > > p.p.s. wasn't the X-Files good tonight?
> >
> > Dunno, which episode was it?
>
> Do you need to know what episode - its always good!
>
> Mark Tiffany / SgtBilko
>
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>
>

Dunno 'bout that. Haven't seen 'em yet - but I can't imagine half of
season two without Scully :(

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:10 1995
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 14:08:00 EST
From: MACIEJ GORNY <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Q: Blank 'System Request' under 1.3 with .exe files

> > I have a weird problem. When i created an executable and then tried
> > to run it from Workbench, I get this strange looking system requester
> > window: no message, even buttons do not have letters on them. The
> > whole requester window is blank, only buttons' outlines are visible.
> >
> > Weird. Did anybody have similar experience?
>
> Is this on a 1.3 machine?  because Virtual Worlds frequently brings up these
> things when it crashes on a 1.3 machine (but the same executable works fine on
> a 2.0+ machine).  Is this to do with library problems?
>
> Oh, when run from a cli, these appear less often - its a very intermittent
> thing.  The requester i think possibly does have  _some_ text, but its in
> white on white - and is only just visible on the window borders.  If youve seen
> it then you`ll know what i mean.  And then maybe you`ll know what the hell it
> is!
>
> Mark Tiffany / SgtBilko
>

Yea, it is 1.3 machine. I don't have any experience using 1.3, i
always used 2.1 or greater. Anyway, I created executable again but
this time from compiler options window and it seems to work right
now. Although i got it once one more time.

I hope it's just 1.3 thing.

-- maciej


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:10 1995
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 15:37:38 -0500 (CDT)
From: Maestria en Filosofia <[e-mail]>
To: Pink <[e-mail]>
Cc: The Blitz list <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: RE: 3d Cube



On Wed, 10 May 1995, Pink wrote:

> On Fri, 5 May 1995, Pedro J. Cervantes Pintor wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 5 May 1995, Simon or Mark wrote:
> >
> > > Are you having any luck with that cube drawing program. As far as
> > > "I'm" concernced if there is a bug in blitz that makes your program crash
> > > with runtime errors on I need to know about it.
> > >
> >  Simon:
> >
> >
> > finally my program it's running; i just add an "Extra.w"
> > variable in the Newtype.cube definition
> >
> >      Newtype.cube
> >        c.point[8]
> >        extra.w
> >      End Newtype
> >
> This is a bit of a hack.  The reason that the program crashed is that the
> range of the index should be from 0 to 7, NOT from 1 to 8.  The version
> of Blitz in Bum7 now checks this range if run time errors are enabled, so
> I guess you`re using an older version.  I`m suprised Simon or Mark didn`t
> notice this problem :)

  ..But in Blitz 2 User Guide says that the Arrays hold n+1 elements
(  a(50) holds 0..50 inclusive ), so what happen ...




From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:10 1995
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 20:38:10 -47900
From: The Crow <[e-mail]>
To: MO Tiffany <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Scroll example/off topic



On Wed, 10 May 1995, MO Tiffany wrote:

> > > The Acid 8-way scroller with the source scrolled on at the start
> > > is called Bug-Blast or something like that, but it`s not tile based
> > > scrolling, just a standard over-size bitmap... sorry Mikko
> > >     Jim \:)
> > >
> > Does anyone want to talk about game play?
>
> Whats that?   ;P
>
> And isnt fore-play a more interesting subject?
>

  I try to asks for help with a hortizontal/vertical map block (tile) scroll
  routine, and then things really get off topic!  What's the relationship
  between a horizontal scroll and sex?  Don't answer that!

  While I'm here, I do have one more question.  Game programming is quit new
  to me (thats why I'm still having problems with the scroll routine). I have
  however written many business applications in other languages; thus
  programming/problem solving is not new to me.  My question is this:

    Should one be able to write a commercial quality game in Blitz Basic
    without having to resort to writing your own assembler routines or using
    "advanced" techniques (such as cludges, etc. which seem to come up from
    time to time in blitz-list conversations)??

    Or if I just stick to standard blitz commands (with no to little
    assembler) am I just wasting my time?  Maybe many of you are advanced
    programmers pushing your ideas to the limits, but it seem you guys
    (and gals) go through a hell of a lot at times to get things to work
    with Blitz.


    Sincerely

    Tom Stone



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:10 1995
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 09:05:40 +1200 (NZST)
From: Simon or Mark <[e-mail]>
To: Marky B <[e-mail]>
Cc: MO Tiffany <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
Subject: Re: What the hell is happening at Acid

>
> Dunno 'bout that. Haven't seen 'em yet - but I can't imagine half of
> season two without Scully :(
>
She gets abducted by aliens for ONE episode (when she apparently had to
have a baby anyway).

p.s. if you are going to talk about things other than BB please try not
to include 3 pages of quotes with every reply...


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:10 1995
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 19:10:37 -0500 (CDT)
From: Joe Bott <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Sprites and Slices

Hey kids! Just wondering if anyone has had any success with the Pointer
command, when using a display with more than one slice. In my program,
the pointer is fine in the top half of the screen, but the pointer goes
under the bottom half bitmap... I've tried things with InFront, and
various slice things, to no avail... The only thing I havent done is just
do a straight MouseX, MouseY, ShowSprite dealy...

Thanks!
joe.



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:10 1995
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 21:36:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: josh farley <[e-mail]>
To: The Crow <[e-mail]>
Cc: MO Tiffany <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Scroll example/off topic



On Wed, 10 May 1995, The Crow wrote:

>     Should one be able to write a commercial quality game in Blitz Basic
>     without having to resort to writing your own assembler routines or using
>     "advanced" techniques (such as cludges, etc. which seem to come up from
>     time to time in blitz-list conversations)??

  Yes.

  Oh, want more detail? :)

  I have found it to be very easy to program high-quality programs in
blitz, without using hardware hacks, or even using Blitz-mode.  My
programs all multi-task, run on 24-bit boards, and don't use hacks...

  Sometimes assembly is useful to gain speed, other times it's
unnecessarry if you're creative... For the most part, using a combination
of blitz commands and OS-calls seems to work fine for me... then again,
I'm not all that interested in getting 60 fps... I can live with less, if
I gain better gameplay, and more colors on screen...

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:10 1995
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 09:38:55 +0100 (BST)
From: Pink <[e-mail]>
To: The Blitz list <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: .. RE: 3D Cube

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Just recently Pedro J. Cervantes Pintor wrote:

>   ..But in Blitz 2 User Guide says that the Arrays hold n+1 elements
> (  a(50) holds 0..50 inclusive ), so what happen ...

I think you`re confusing the two different types of arrays.

Theres the   Dim (n)   whose index ranges from 0 to n, and theres
NEWTYPE .foo
  bar.w[n]
End NEWTYPE

which ranges from 0 to n-1.  The reference in the Blitz 2 User Guide is
probably refering to the  Dim  type.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 10:13:51 +0100
From: NIGEL HUGHES <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: What the hell is happening at Acid

In message <[e-mail]>,
    Simon or Mark <[e-mail]> writes:

[comments about how far behind we are]

Well we get series 2 soon.

Anyhow, how did you get on with ShapeZ then?

That goes for the rest of you people to whom I sent ShapeZ. I need feed back!

Nigel Hughes

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 08:02:36 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Richard T. Elmore" <[e-mail]>
To: The Crow <[e-mail]>
Cc: MO Tiffany <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Scroll example/off topic


On Wed, 10 May 1995, The Crow wrote:

>     Should one be able to write a commercial quality game in Blitz Basic
>     without having to resort to writing your own assembler routines or using
>     "advanced" techniques (such as cludges, etc. which seem to come up from
>     time to time in blitz-list conversations)??

I think so, definitely.  Although help from assembly routines or calling
OS routines can be a big help for special requirements in a program,
Blitz still has enough potential on it's own to write a lot of good
software, including games.

If you download 3rd-party libaries, you'll also notice that many of them
provide an easier interface to features that were only available before
with assembly and/or loads of OS calls...  But, beware:  Not all the
3rd-party libraries out there are good ones, so just experiment and see
which combination of standard Blitz and 3rd-party libraries help you
achieve your programming goals with the least difficulty.

If all else fails, you could probably achieve with standard OS calls many
of those things Blitz doesn't offer on it's own.  They're a bit rugged to
figure out, but it's worth it to make yourself as familiar with the
operating system as you can.


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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Thu, 11 May 95 19:44:47 CET
From: Falk Nieder <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: What the hell is happening at Acid


  Reply to: Acid
  Subject: What the hell is happening at Acid
  Date:   : 10.05.95

Hi,

So> We have printed the new manuals, and I am finding my one very
So> good all though I fogot the bb2 object listings which I miss...

it would be nice if Germany can receive some :-) Please remember the time
lag for us when we have translate it! Therefore me (and all the other users
here in Germany) would appreciate if you can upload a pagesteamfile or
something else.

So> BUM8 is coming, over 1500 people world wide are majorly pissed off with

hups, only 1500? Is Blitz2 not sold in other countries than Germany?

So> BUM8 will not include a new editor, it will include some Acid libraries

okay, now the 1500 users will come to nzl and destroy Auckland and the guys
at Acid. Don't you have graphic cards in NZL? Don't you use overscan? TED
is completely incompatible with all graphic cards. Shit. No we are really
pssed off.

So> and a section of the new manual with the rest of it available to you our
So> humble users at cost plus nz%.
So>
So> The new manual IS ringbound, and Giles our UK manager will be happy to
So> print sections for those wanting to offer printed documentation to their
So> libraries.

In Germany we have ringbounded manuals (BUM1-7) since october '94 ;-))


hope you will have a look at TED again, Andre-Romulus-Bergmann e.g. has
finished a cool TED and just needs the implementation of the compiler, so
contact me if you are interested!




bye,

Falk

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 12:41:18 +1000 (EST)
From: Mr M Sawicki <[e-mail]>
To: blitz list <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: What the hell is happening at Acid



On Wed, 10 May 1995, Simon or Mark wrote:

>
> BUM8 will not include a new editor, it will include some Acid libraries
> and a section of the new manual with the rest of it available to you our
> humble users at cost plus nz%.
>

Will BUM8 include 3d Library and object edit ???? I REALLY hope so.

Maciek.





From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 01:33:55 -0500 (CDT)
From: Maestria en Filosofia <[e-mail]>
To: Pink <[e-mail]>
Cc: The Blitz list <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: .. RE: 3D Cube



On Thu, 11 May 1995, Pink wrote:

>
> >   ..But in Blitz 2 User Guide says that the Arrays hold n+1 elements
> > (  a(50) holds 0..50 inclusive ), so what happen ...
>
> I think you`re confusing the two different types of arrays.
>
> Theres the   Dim (n)   whose index ranges from 0 to n, and theres
> NEWTYPE .foo
>   bar.w[n]
> End NEWTYPE
>
> which ranges from 0 to n-1.  The reference in the Blitz 2 User Guide is
> probably refering to the  Dim  type.
>

   You are right, i did not read that page very well (big mistake)

  ...GREETINGS!!



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 01:39:04 EST
From: MACIEJ GORNY <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: What the hell is happening at Acid

> On Wed, 10 May 1995, Simon or Mark wrote:
>
> >
> > BUM8 will not include a new editor, it will include some Acid libraries
> > and a section of the new manual with the rest of it available to you our
> > humble users at cost plus nz%.
> >
>
> Will BUM8 include 3d Library and object edit ???? I REALLY hope so.
>
> Maciek.
>
>
>

I think also in one of the future upgrades Blitz2 (or maybe ABC)
should have unsigned variables.

Is  ABC is going to be backwards compatible with Blitz2?

maciej


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 08:54:15 +0100 (BST)
From: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
To: Blitzlist <[e-mail]>
Subject: Blitz Bug Or My Bug? You tell me...

Lets have a little story shall we...  Lets say a person wrote a nice
debugger, and everything went very well.  The program worked and was
actually quite useful.  Now lets say that the aforementioned person wrote
a nice little menus library that took advantage of Gadtools to give nice
layouts etc.  Now lets also say that he had a thought : 'why not make
my nice little debugger use that little menu library I wrote?'.  This
thought sounded nice so he decided to go ahead with putting in his
library........

-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=--==--=

That was yesterday.  I put in the library and everything went well, until
I tried to STOP a program using the debugger.  Amazingly nothing
happened.  The program being debugged doesn't even respond to CTRL-ALT-C
or the STOP command placed in its source code.  Just the simple presence
of the menu library in the debugger executable stops it working
completely.  I don't even have to execute a command from the library to
stop the debugger working....

I really don't understand this.  The library does nothing special, its
init and finit routines just open the GadTools.library - I've even tried
disabling this code but the problem persists.

Let me just clarify this problem slightly by saying if the debugger
doesn't use my library AT ALL it CAN STOP a program that itself uses the
library.

Is this some strange bug in the Blitz Compiler I wonder?  Or is it my
being really stupid?  Because for the life of me I can't work out whats
going on.....


Any suggestions would be appreciated.


Confused,
Steve Mc.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 09:52:30 +0100
From: MO Tiffany <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Blitz Bug Or My Bug? You tell me...

[stuff removed from Steve]

> Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Well - this just some vague guess - and at 10am so its probably shit
im talking....

Does gadtools have its own interrupt flag?  as in for a waitevent type command?
is it some patch for this that maybe gadtools has added, and maybe your checks
(which i assume are on some kind of interrupt) are just clashing?

This is a _guess_ so if im completely off track - dont go hitting me!

Mark Tiffany

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 10:58:32 +0100 (BST)
From: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
To: MO Tiffany <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Blitz Bug Or My Bug? You tell me...

On Fri, 12 May 1995, MO Tiffany wrote:

> Well - this just some vague guess - and at 10am so its probably shit
> im talking....

:)

> Does gadtools have its own interrupt flag?  as in for a waitevent type command?
> is it some patch for this that maybe gadtools has added, and maybe your checks
> (which i assume are on some kind of interrupt) are just clashing?
>
> This is a _guess_ so if im completely off track - dont go hitting me!

I won't hit you - but I'd guess you were on the wrong track :)  The menus
are ready in by using the current commands WaitEvent/MenuHit/SubHit etc.


Steve Mc.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 13:05:46 +0100 (BST)
From: Pink <[e-mail]>
To: The Blitz list <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Gadtools Menus


Recently Steve McNamara announced that he had written a library to use
the Gadtools menus.  Just a little question, are these any different from
setting the new look menus flag for the menu owning window?  If I do this
on my 3.0 Amiga 1200 the menus created look exactly the same as the
Workbench menus, unless I`m mistaken:)

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 13:12:00 +0100 (BST)
From: Pink <[e-mail]>
To: The Blitz list <[e-mail]>
Subject: Screen Bitmaps


I`v had a bit of trouble recently with the ShowBitmap command as I found
it difficult to create a bitmap the same size as the one used by the
screen.  Apparently the screen uses a bitmap slightly wider than the
actual displayed width.  I found this out by using the ScreensBitmap
command and looking at the bitmap newtype from within the excellent LES
debugger, and if I create a bitmap using the XClip field as the width
then all problems are solved.

Two questions really:
Does anyone know why this is?
  and
Is there anyway to know this size in advance without actually creating
the screen, getting the ScreensBitmap and then Peek ing the XClip value?

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 13:45:31 +0100 (BST)
From: Andy Pelton <[e-mail]>
To: Blitzs-List <[e-mail]>
Subject: What is ABC

What the hell is This ABC thingy (apart from the obvious!).
Also How do you use the Display copper effects such as DisplayRainbow
as everytime i use them an not enough room error appears.

Andy.





From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Fri, 12 May 95 12:50:24 GMT
From: Brian Skreeg <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Tan tables again! This time for ASM

    Hi Programmer thangs,

    Can someone tell me how to go about creating a TAN table for my ASM
program? I will probably (guessing ;)) need it in words and no decimals
involved. The table wil be used in ASM only so I reckoned the best way to
make one was with blitz but I'm not too hot at the file malarky in Blitz.

THanks to all.

Also congratulations to Acid for Superduperskidmarks. Amiga Format reckon
that Skidz sold twice as many copies than any Megadrive or snes game in
March. Well done, that must be a lot even though the console market has
crashed.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 15:09:50 +0100
From: MO Tiffany <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: What is ABC

> What the hell is This ABC thingy (apart from the obvious!).

Basically a repackaged new version of Blitz (was to be essentially the same
program as what you would get with BUM8 - but due to delays....).
New manual (ringbound).

> Also How do you use the Display copper effects such as DisplayRainbow
> as everytime i use them an not enough room error appears.

When you set up a display theres a parameter at the end - can`t remember
what its name was, but you need to set up copper space for it.  Its in the
BUM6/7 docs, or more easily in the BB2 guide (on the ftp site).

Mark Tiffany /SgtBilko

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 18:14:38 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Patrik R}dman MNF94 <[e-mail]>
Reply to: [e-mail]
To: Blitz Basic Mailing List <[e-mail]>
Subject: Variables (Was: Re: What the hell...)

> I think also in one of the future upgrades Blitz2 (or maybe ABC)
> should have unsigned variables.

I agree. It's a bit of a waste to use a word to store byte values (0-255).
Especially if you're using huge arrays... :)

Just my .02 cents worth, Patrik.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 12:19:24 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Richard T. Elmore" <[e-mail]>
To: Andy Pelton <[e-mail]>
Cc: Blitzs-List <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: What is ABC

> What the hell is This ABC thingy (apart from the obvious!).

>From what I gather, the new update from Blitz2 (tentatively called ABC)
will not only be a complete overhaul of the Blitz we know and love(?) but
it will be able to cross-compile for different machines, such as the Sega
Genesis, Atari Jaguar, maybe even PC or MAC...  Hope it's as good as it
sounds!

> Also How do you use the Display copper effects such as DisplayRainbow
> as everytime i use them an not enough room error appears.

>From the sketchy docs in Bums 5-7, I've figured out *this* much, though I
wish I knew some more myself:

In your InitCopList command, you must specify a negative amount for the
copper room... If you're doing an ECS rainbow that only affects one
register (like color #0) this would be -1.  For AGA, it would be -4.

Then set up your palette and try the DisplayRainbow command.  BTW, if
you're trying to use it with the PaletteRange command, I've had no
success with that.  It seems PaletteRange is broken for the time being.


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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 12:23:30 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Richard T. Elmore" <[e-mail]>
To: Pink <[e-mail]>
Cc: The Blitz list <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Screen Bitmaps

On Fri, 12 May 1995, Pink wrote:

> Is there anyway to know this size in advance without actually creating
> the screen, getting the ScreensBitmap and then Peek ing the XClip value?

I might be wrong, but I *think* it is the size of the screen to the
nearest 16-pixel boundry (rounded up.)  That means if you have a screen
300 pixels wide, you'll need a bitmap 320 pixels wide...


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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 12:26:01 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Richard T. Elmore" <[e-mail]>
To: Pink <[e-mail]>
Cc: The Blitz list <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Gadtools Menus

On Fri, 12 May 1995, Pink wrote:

> Recently Steve McNamara announced that he had written a library to use
> the Gadtools menus.  Just a little question, are these any different from
> setting the new look menus flag for the menu owning window?  If I do this
> on my 3.0 Amiga 1200 the menus created look exactly the same as the
> Workbench menus, unless I`m mistaken:)

Besides being automatically font-sensitive, GTMenus have the added
advantage of allowing a REAL separator-bar... (No more kludging it with
a string of ~~~~~~~~.)

The biggest advantage has got to be the font/screen sensitivity though,
try to make a menu with Blitz's menu commands that will look right (even
with checkmarks and shortcut keys) under fonts from 8 to 24 points....
Not very easy to do!

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 11:25:54 +1200 (NZST)
From: Simon <[e-mail]>
To: Brian Skreeg <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Tan tables again! This time for ASM



On Fri, 12 May 1995, Brian Skreeg wrote:

> Also congratulations to Acid for Superduperskidmarks. Amiga Format reckon
> that Skidz sold twice as many copies than any Megadrive or snes game in
> March. Well done, that must be a lot even though the console market has
> crashed.
>
Sounds like the whole English economy has crashed, can't say I'm happy
about the number of sales OR the way Gremlin/Virgin are dumping that
bloody soccer game to keep it at number one.... grrr... Oh, Mark tells me
he was on the FutureNet Page and we are at number one... YIPPPEEE...

We'll be going GoKart Racing this Friday to celebrate, all invited...


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 08:00:41 -0000
From: Clive Thomas <[e-mail]>
To: Blitz list <[e-mail]>
Subject: New Version

Hi there,

    I  thought I read here, that the ABC deal with Amiga Format had failed.
I  got the latest Format yesterday and they are advertising the new version
as a disc cover for next month.  What gives ?  ;)

BFN,Clive

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Sat, 13 May 95 11:32:37 GMT
From:  <@post.demon.co.uk,@metnet.demon.co.uk:[e-mail]>

Hi all, ive got a problem (who has'nt?)
From: [e-mail]@metnet.demon.co.uk (paul_burford)
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Screen

Amos Pro (booo!) has a command called "PhyBase()" that gives the
address of a screens physical display, not a screens structure, but
the actual planes.  So obviously by "Poke"-ing this address you could
draw on the screen (i wont go into why i want to do it like this).

Its driving me nutz trying to work out how to do this in blitz.

Any ideas?


~Paul


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Sat, 13 May 95 18:18:00 CET
From: Sascha Ott <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Locale


Hello !

I have a problem with the locale feature of WB2.1 and BB2.
The german strings are built in my programm and the english Catalog should
be load when its needed.
The problem is not the programming, I dont't know how I give the strings
to the gadgets, menus and requesters.
Please take a look at my current attempt:

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[...]

locale$(1)=     ;< Every string put into an array >
locale$(2)=

From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Sat, 13 May 95 18:35:53 GMT
From:  <@post.demon.co.uk,@metnet.demon.co.uk:[e-mail]>

Hi all,
From: [e-mail]@metnet.demon.co.uk (paul_burford)
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Library

Recently ive been useing some library routines, as documented at
the back of the Blitz2 manual.  Can anyone point me to some reading
material that explains more about these routines (what they do,
what type of variables it expects etc.)

Thanks in advance.


Oh yes, while i'm here,

  Two methods of getting the depth of a bitmap.

    1)  deep.b=Peek.b(Addr BitMap(0)+5)

      2)  *b0.BitMap=Peek.l(Addr BitMap(0))
        deep.b=*b0\Depth

  Method 1 works fine, but the way i'd prefer to do it, method 2, dosen't.
  No errors are produced, it just returns the wrong value.

  Anyone know what i'm doing wrong?


~Paul~


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 19:29:49 -47900
From: Checkpoint Charlie <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: PLaYInG MOdULeS WItH bLITz bASIc


HELP!  (Besides with the Kaps-Lok)

I seem to be unable to play a simple 4-channel module with Blitz!  I can
use the ones that are included (ie. funkinator, schem etc.) but the one I
want won't work...

What it does is plays awesomely for the first 2 seconds, then goes SLOW
and misses 2 channels and continues playing at a SLOW speed... Its a 120k
ProTracker Module called DistantCall ... Any help will be appreciated and
awarded.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 12:39:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Josh Farley <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Arexx


Hey there,

    Does anyone have some code for adding an Arexx port to a Blitz
program?  I've played with it some, but have had little success...

Josh



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Sun, 14 May 95 15:28:43 +1300
From: Brett Cooper <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: GoKart Raceing this Friday..

Hi Simon, on May 13 you wrote:

> Sounds like the whole English economy has crashed, can't say I'm happy
> about the number of sales OR the way Gremlin/Virgin are dumping that
> bloody soccer game to keep it at number one.... grrr... Oh, Mark tells me
> he was on the FutureNet Page and we are at number one... YIPPPEEE...

Number One, this good news.  Quality New Zealand software with out a dought.

> We'll be going GoKart Racing this Friday to celebrate, all invited...

Super,  I will be in Aucland for the weekend (Sisters wedding) so I will
try and be there.  GoKarts racies,  who will turn out to be the champ and
who will be the ones that end up getting smoked.  Let me know, time + place.

Brett




From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 10:56:01 -47900
From: The Crow <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Blitz with ProTracker


How can I get blitz to play a sound module properly.  I friend gave me
a sample ProTracker module to use in a demo I am writing for him.
Using AMFC Pro I converted it to a SoundTracker and NoiseTracker mod;
One of the three modules would not play at all (can't remember which now -
perhaps SoundTracker).  The other two played at far to slow a rate and then
hung my machine.

Any Ideas?

Thanks

Tom


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 23:47:00 +1200 (NZST)
From: Simon <[e-mail]>
To: blitz list <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: New Version



On Sat, 13 May 1995, Clive Thomas wrote:

> Hi there,
>
>     I  thought I read here, that the ABC deal with Amiga Format had failed.
> I  got the latest Format yesterday and they are advertising the new version
> as a disc cover for next month.  What gives ?  ;)
>
It didn't fail, it is just postponed


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 23:52:00 +1200 (NZST)
From: Simon <[e-mail]>
To: blitz list <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: your mail



On Sat, 13 May 1995 [e-mail] wrote:

>   Two methods of getting the depth of a bitmap.
>
>     1)  deep.b=Peek.b(Addr BitMap(0)+5)
>
>       2)  *b0.BitMap=Peek.l(Addr BitMap(0))
>         deep.b=*b0\Depth
>
try print sizeof .BitMap\Depth what does it return? I usually treat depth
as a word at offset 4....


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 21:48:35 -0500 (CDT)
From: Maestria en Filosofia <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Blitz with ProTracker



On Sun, 14 May 1995, The Crow wrote:

>
> How can I get blitz to play a sound module properly.  I friend gave me
> a sample ProTracker module to use in a demo I am writing for him.
> Using AMFC Pro I converted it to a SoundTracker and NoiseTracker mod;
> One of the three modules would not play at all (can't remember which now -
> perhaps SoundTracker).  The other two played at far to slow a rate and then
> hung my machine.
>
> Any Ideas?

   I would like to use the med and octamed libraries by Teijo Kinnuen,
but i don't know how to execute the functions from blitz after i loaded
the library with IncBin..so ..does anybody knows how to do it?


  ..this will help you Tom  :)

  GREETINGS !!!

   Pedro C.


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 10:13:32 +0100 (BST)
From: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
To: Josh Farley <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Arexx

On Sat, 13 May 1995, Josh Farley wrote:

>     Does anyone have some code for adding an Arexx port to a Blitz
> program?  I've played with it some, but have had little success...

My map editor has a fully featured ARexx port.  It is on Aminet at the
moment and includes source for an arexx map operator.  This operator
source shows you how to set up and manage an ARexx port.


Steve Mc.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 10:26:31 +0100
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: ABC How much

I subscribed to the BUM disks nearly 1 year ago and for my £15 so far all
I've had is 2 disks
BUM 6/7.

I reckon I've still got issues 8,9,and 10 to get, at the current rate I
should have issue 10 about
Dec 1996.

Anyway thats my gripe out of the way.

My main point is this, Simon stated that ABC would be free to reg users but,
their would be a charge
for the new manual, anyone know how much this will cost and will it be worth
getting?. Also what will be
new in ABC?.

Dave

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 14:07:02 +0100
From: NIGEL HUGHES <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: ACID Software and Blitz Compiler


Dear All,
    I have a few questions for Acid that I think are broard enough to
attract wider comment.

    1) Will the not that new version of TeD at least have a screen mode
    requestor so I can run it from a GFX card workbench screen? It is
    a major bummer. Just a little fix, surely not too hard.

    2) Are you still considering PC Blitz, just about to buy a P60
    machine you see, can't bear to be without Blitz.

    3) What do Acid and everyone else who were sent ShapeZ think?


    Thanks for your time,

    Nigel Hughes



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Mon, 15 May 95 14:36:15 GMT
From: paul_burford <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: ListView

Ive just put a nice ListView gadget into my current program, with " Add "  "Delete" buttons positioned underneath.

Everthing went well until i came to put in the 'Delete' code.  I realised that when you clicked on a ListView gadget the item under the mouse is highlight then un-highlighted when you press and release the mouse button.

Is it possible for the item to remain highlighted until the user selects another item or clicks again?  This means you can see exactly what item you
are deleting.


~Paul~


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: 15 May 95 20:41:48 -0100
From: Ronald Kuiper <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Arexx


Hello Josh!

On 13 May 95 you wrote:

 > Does anyone have some code for adding an Arexx port to a Blitz
 > program? I've played with it some, but have had little success...

Maybe this will help:

#RXCOMM=$1000000
#RXFF_RESULT=$20000
#RXFF_STRING=$40000

Macro send
SendRexxCommand msgptr,cmd$,#RXCOMM|#RXFF_STRING|#RXFF_RESULT
End Macro

Macro back
Repeat
 rmsg.l=RexxEvent(port)
 If IsRexxMsg(rmsg)
 If GetRexxResult(rmsg,2) > 256
 ant$=GetResultString(rmsg)
 EndIf
 EndIf
Until IsRexxMsg(rmsg)
End Macro

port.l=CreateMsgPort("POORT")
msgptr.l=CreateRexxMsg(port,"","ADPro")

cmd$="OPTIONS RESULTS;VERSION;EXIT ADPRO_RESULT"
!send:!back
NPrint ant$
MouseWait
End

This program should print the version of Adpro...


       _
      /_)
Grtz / \onald.


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 00:46:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: "S. Flock" <[e-mail]>
To: Blitz List <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: PLaYInG MOdULeS WItH bLITz bASIc

On Sat, 13 May 1995, Checkpoint Charlie wrote:

>
> HELP!  (Besides with the Kaps-Lok)
>
> I seem to be unable to play a simple 4-channel module with Blitz!  I can
> use the ones that are included (ie. funkinator, schem etc.) but the one I
> want won't work...
>
> What it does is plays awesomely for the first 2 seconds, then goes SLOW
> and misses 2 channels and continues playing at a SLOW speed... Its a 120k
> ProTracker Module called DistantCall ... Any help will be appreciated and
> awarded.

 Let me guess.. You're trying to use the player that comes standard with
Blitz Basic? If so, I suggest you switch to use Neil's protracker lib.
It seems Blitz uses the same method to play mods as Med does when it
tries to convert protracker mods. It works fine... Until you get into
timing and such.. Where it conviently barfs.

Steve

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 08:06:59 -47900
From: The Crow <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Blitz with ProTracker (fwd)



>>Not too long ago, tom wrote:

>> How can I get blitz to play a sound module properly.  I friend gave me
>> a sample ProTracker module to use in a demo I am writing for him.
>> Using AMFC Pro I converted it to a SoundTracker and NoiseTracker mod;
>> One of the three modules would not play at all (can't remember which now -
>> perhaps SoundTracker).  The other two played at far to slow a rate and
>> then > hung my machine.
>>
>> Any Ideas?

>Easy way: use CIATrackerlib from Neil (Attachment to this Mail).
>Problem: you must fix it for every processor (look in the manuals).

>Other way: convert it to MED and use the MED-commands. But: the MED-lib
>in Blitz can't handle default speed! you must "set" them in a way like:
>(But IMHO MED is the best way to make proper replay in a demo)

>.Interrupt5:
>PlayMED
>PlayMED
>...
>Return


Andrew,

Thanks for your suggestions.  I have considered using CIATrackerLib, but
I would prefer not to have to tinker with accommodating each processor
(if I can help it).

Converting to MED may be an option (providing I can find a utility to do
this).

I'm going on memory here (mine not the computer's), but was there not a
library, converted from AMOS which could play mods properly.  I believe
it was by a Paul Reece?


Thanks again

Tom


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 10:16:02 +0100 (BST)
From: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
To: NIGEL HUGHES <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: ACID Software and Blitz Compiler

On Mon, 15 May 1995, NIGEL HUGHES wrote:

>     1) Will the not that new version of TeD at least have a screen mode
>     requestor so I can run it from a GFX card workbench screen? It is
>     a major bummer. Just a little fix, surely not too hard.

It would be quite tricky when you consider that Ted does not use OS
routines for outputing its text (I presume anyway). Thus using a GFX card
screen mode would either require Ted to be rewritten to use the OS or
have custom routines for each board added.

>     3) What do Acid and everyone else who were sent ShapeZ think?

I thought it was nice - now put in the saving a shape as an icon thingy :)



Steve Mc.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 10:17:58 +0100 (BST)
From: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
To: Blitzlist <[e-mail]>
Subject: Forgotten promises...

Last night I finally sorted out an IconToShape command - for grabbing the
gfx associated with an icon file into shapes.  BUT I've forgotten who
actually asked for this command... Yes I know, forgetful wanker etc etc etc.
Anyway, could they give me a quick mail - if they do I can get the
updated ToolTypes library off to them.



Steve Mc.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 11:20:11 +0100 (BST)
From: Ricky Clarke <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: Forgotton Promises...


        It was me who asked for the `IconToShape` command...

        Thanks for taking the time to write it. My email address is `[e-mail]`, or `[e-mail]`. But then you probably knew that didn`t you? x;-)

        Thanks again,

                Ricky J. Clarke


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 12:05:49 +0100
From: David Shaw <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Executables Guru

Does anyone know why when I create an executable of the GTB progam on BUM 7
it gurus when I try to run it?.

I've copied the fonts to the font dir, and cd into the source dir before I
create it. If I select compile & run the program works fine except for the
bugs in it.

I've come across this before with some other programs and can't fine the
problem.

the guru # is 8000000b

TIA

Dave

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:11 1995
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 12:51:12 +0100
From: NIGEL HUGHES <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: ACID Software and Blitz Compiler

In message <Pine.SUN.3.90.950516101350.7409C-100000@anubis>,
    Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]> writes:
> On Mon, 15 May 1995, NIGEL HUGHES wrote:
>
> >     1) Will the not that new version of TeD at least have a screen mode
> >     requestor so I can run it from a GFX card workbench screen? It is
> >     a major bummer. Just a little fix, surely not too hard.
>
> It would be quite tricky when you consider that Ted does not use OS
> routines for outputing its text (I presume anyway). Thus using a GFX card
> screen mode would either require Ted to be rewritten to use the OS or
> have custom routines for each board added.

You miss understand me. TeD will not open at all from a Workbench that
is using a graphcics card screen mode, because it tries to copy that
screen mode. I just want to be able to say to TeD, open on for example
a standard multiscan screen. I don't need TED itself in a gfx card
screen mode.

> >     3) What do Acid and everyone else who were sent ShapeZ think?
>
> I thought it was nice - now put in the saving a shape as an icon thingy :)

Sod off. 8)

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:12 1995
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 12:51:02 GMT-1DFT
From: Jurgen Valks <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Good bye!


Hello all Blitzers,

I'm leaving the Amiga scene because I can't make money on the Amiga,
last night I sold my A1200 & A2000.

I would like to thank Steve McNamara & Steve Matty for their
excellent support, help and communication, I wish ACID did this, they
let me down.

I hope Blitz will appear some day on the PC, at the moment I'm
developing Multi Media Software & Animations on the PC. I will go
back to Blitz when the AmigaCard is ready but for now: greetings and
maybe we meet again. You can still reach me for other conversations
if you like.

Hereby is the Dutch Blitz User Group gone...

To ACID: change your way of support if you want to survive! I was good
enough when there where troubles here but afther that you let me
down. Thanks (not).

My last point: Blitz changed my life, it was the most powerfull
language I used in my Amiga years, I hope a PC version will come!

CYa!



Greetings from,

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\  Gonna quit with the Amiga soon...                             /
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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:12 1995
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 15:11:35 +0100 (BST)
From: Big Will Riker <[e-mail]>
To: blitzlist <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Good bye!

I read with great sadness that Jurgen has quit the amiga due
to lack of suppport.

Come on ACID, put up a little bit of cash and pay this guy to run
the Dutch BUG!

Geez simon, you sound as bad as commodore!

Steve.
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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:12 1995
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 15:25:05 +0100
From: NIGEL HUGHES <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Good bye!

In message <Pine.SUN.3.90.950516151039.23228A-100000@anubis>,
    Big Will Riker <[e-mail]> writes:
> I read with great sadness that Jurgen has quit the amiga due
> to lack of suppport.

Me too 8(

> Come on ACID, put up a little bit of cash and pay this guy to run
> the Dutch BUG!

Sadly I think it is a little late...

> Geez simon, you sound as bad as commodore!

No comment.

> Steve.

Bye Jugen and thanks for everything you did.

    Nigel


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:12 1995
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 16:36:17 +0100 (BST)
From: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
To: Blitzlist <[e-mail]>
Subject: Am I moaning? Or being reasonable?

Hello ppl,
    a while ago I asked if people wanted to test out a new version of
my debugger - to check it works okay and is stable enough.  Well quite a
few people offered to test it and each of them promptly received a copy
through email.  Now this was quite a while ago and whilst I appreciate
that people may be busy with other things I'll like to know what people
thought.

I belive  Nigel Hughes is having this same problem - people who offer to
test software but do not actually come back with suggestions or comments
about the software.

This is very frustrating since it means that I have no feedback from
other people (except people I'm in contact with everyday).  Has anyone
out there tested the version of the debugger I sent to them?  Surely
someone could reply.  Its a pity really because the lack of response has
held up a release that substantially upgrades the debugger...


I have to say thanx to the ***one*** person who replied about the
debugger - sorry it was so long ago I can't remember your name... :)


Anyway, I'm off home...

Steve Mc.
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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:12 1995
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 19:35:52 +0300
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: BOUNCE [e-mail]: Admin request

>From blitz-list-owner  Tue May 16 19:35:48 1995
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Hello..

  Sorry but just like Jurgen valks i have to sold my A1200....


  That was excellent list and all of you...


    See you...


 ByE


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:12 1995
Date: Tue, 16 May 95 18:53:59 CET
From: Philipp Lonke <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: ACID Software and Blitz Compiler

Hi Stephen, you wrote in <Pine.SUN.3.90.950516101350.7409C-100000@anubis> on May 16:

> It would be quite tricky when you consider that Ted does not use OS
> routines for outputing its text (I presume anyway). Thus using a GFX card
> screen mode would either require Ted to be rewritten to use the OS or
> have custom routines for each board added.

Why still hang on this ugly TED? Make a cli-compiler/linker etc. and
the user can choose any editor *he* wants (like GoldED or CEd). TED
causes so many problems and it is far away from being even a little
bit comfortable!

--
Philipp Lonke * [e-mail] * postal adress on demand
"Lehrerkommödie: Die Armut der Lehrer, während die Staaten Unsummen für
die Wehrmacht hinauswerfen. Da sie nur Lehrer für 600 DM sich leisten
können, bleiben die Völker so dumm, daß sie sich Kriege für 60
Milliarden leisten müssen." (Ch. Morgenstern, "Aphorismen")


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:12 1995
Date: Tue, 16 May 95 23:27:53 CET
From: Philipp Lonke <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Weird thing happening ...

I recently added some amiga-libs commands from a library via the
FDConv program and everything worked fine. TED tokenised the new
commands right.

But from one day to another, TED just doesn't accept these commands
anymore and tokenises them wrong! When I type

        MY_NewCommand_

that's what TED does of it:

        PEAnewCommand_

he tokenises any sh*t of it?!!?? What happened? Can somebody help me?
Can somebody tell the boys at Acid to stop this tokenising crap and to
stop TED? BlitzBasic could be even more powerful when the code could
be compiled/linked via CLI (like E) ...

--
Philipp Lonke * [e-mail] * postal adress on demand
"Lehrerkommödie: Die Armut der Lehrer, während die Staaten Unsummen für
die Wehrmacht hinauswerfen. Da sie nur Lehrer für 600 DM sich leisten
können, bleiben die Völker so dumm, daß sie sich Kriege für 60
Milliarden leisten müssen." (Ch. Morgenstern, "Aphorismen")


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:12 1995
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 09:39:21 +1200 (NZST)
From: Simon <[e-mail]>
To: David Shaw <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Executables Guru

If you have enough memory you should create the executable with runtime
errors enabled. If it still gurus then let me know,

Simon


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:12 1995
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 09:54:02 +1200 (NZST)
From: Simon <[e-mail]>
To: Philipp Lonke <[e-mail]>
Cc: blitz list <[e-mail]>
Subject: MarkSibly's new Address



On Wed, 22 Dec 1993, Philipp Lonke wrote:

> Does Marc has his own InterNet-account? (Your "realname" is no more
> "Simon or Marc" ;))
>

If people want to get hold of Mark Sibly he is now at [e-mail]

Simon


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:12 1995
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 02:02:11 -0500 (CDT)
From: Joe Bott <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: BitplanesBitmap

Hello! I know this has been explained several times, but how does one
effectivly use the BitplanesBitmap command? I'm trying to figure out how
to blit my 1 bitplane image on a 3-4 bitplane bitmap, and get something
beside only color #1...

Thanks
Joe



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:12 1995
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 11:56:30 +0100
From: NIGEL HUGHES <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Am I moaning? Or being reasonable?

In message <Pine.SUN.3.90.950516162815.1365B-100000@anubis>,
    Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]> writes:
> Hello ppl,
>     a while ago I asked if people wanted to test out a new version of
> my debugger - to check it works okay and is stable enough.  Well quite a
> few people offered to test it and each of them promptly received a copy
> through email.  Now this was quite a while ago and whilst I appreciate
> that people may be busy with other things I'll like to know what people
> thought.

Of course you do, that's why you sent it to them!

> I belive  Nigel Hughes is having this same problem - people who offer to
> test software but do not actually come back with suggestions or comments
> about the software.

Yes I am. I know people are busy, but I need to know what people think! We
need your support, suggestions and comments. PLEASE tell us, even if it is
just to say what you did not like!

> This is very frustrating since it means that I have no feedback from
> other people (except people I'm in contact with everyday).  Has anyone
> out there tested the version of the debugger I sent to them?  Surely
> someone could reply.  Its a pity really because the lack of response has
> held up a release that substantially upgrades the debugger...

Ditto re ShapeZ.

> I have to say thanx to the ***one*** person who replied about the
> debugger - sorry it was so long ago I can't remember your name... :)

Thanks to Brett Cooper in my case, who has sent praise, critques AND
suggestions! Consequently 99% of his comments will be incorporated.

Simple as that!

Nigel Hughes

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:12 1995
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 13:01:17 +0000 (GMT)
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BitplanesBitmap


Joe Bott wrote:

 > Hello! I know this has been explained several times, but how does one
 > effectivly use the BitplanesBitmap command? I'm trying to figure out how
 > to blit my 1 bitplane image on a 3-4 bitplane bitmap, and get something
 > beside only color #1...


  Yeah, I'd like to see an example of this command too.  I've never managed
  to get it to do *anything*


 -Matt

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:12 1995
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 15:06:40 +0100 (BST)
From: Pink <[e-mail]>
To: The Blitz list <[e-mail]>
Subject: Guru during compilation

I`ve just recently found a strange bug during compilation (NOT
execution).  It only needs one line to test :

S$=GetProgName{}

When this above line is compiled (even if just trying to make an
executeable) it gurus with #80000004 (Illegal instruction).  Also if you
try :

S.w=GetProgName{}

it doesn`t actually guru, but if run time errors are enabled it also
brings up a run time error.


Bit strange really, all I was trying to do was make a function called
GetProgName{} :)

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:12 1995
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 07:45:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Josh Farley <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Testing programs...


To Stephen and Nigel,

   I'll test your programs if you like, and yes, I will give feedback...
I know how important that is to morale, if nothing else... :)

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:12 1995
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 18:14:41 +0300 (EETDST)
From: Mikko Makela <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BitplanesBitmap (fwd)

Forwarded message:
> From blitz-list-owner  Wed May 17 16:41:26 1995
> From: [e-mail]
> Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 13:01:17 +0000 (GMT)
> Subject: Re: BitplanesBitmap
> To: [e-mail]

> Joe Bott wrote:
>
>  > Hello! I know this has been explained several times, but how does one
>  > effectivly use the BitplanesBitmap command? I'm trying to figure out how
>  > to blit my 1 bitplane image on a 3-4 bitplane bitmap, and get something
>  > beside only color #1...
>
>
>   Yeah, I'd like to see an example of this command too.  I've never managed
>   to get it to do *anything*
>
>
>  -Matt

Here is again my 3d stars example. This is "unbeutified" & uncommneted
early version, I didn't find the other one rigth away.

Red/blue glasses are needed to see the effect of stars coming
towards the "player".

Btw, Matt, I could check those graphics you have already done
for the robotgame.

-Mikko
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;example by Mikko Makela (not the original idea though)

Dim xv.q(100),xo(100),y.q(100),z.w(100)
Screen 1,2
ScreensBitMap 1,1
Use BitMap 1
Boxf 0,0,20,20,3
GetaShape 0,0,0,2,3
Goto h:
RGB 0,0,0,0
Cls 0
For l1=1 To 15:For l2=1 To 15
RGB l2,0,l1,l2
VWait
Boxf l2*5,l2*5,l2*5+5,l2*5+5,l2
Next l2
MouseWait
VWait 10
Next l1
End
h:
CloseScreen 1


BLITZ
BitMap 0,320,256,4
BitMap 1,320,256,4

Slice 0,44,320,256,$fff0,4,8,32,320,320

BitPlanesBitMap 0,2,3
BitPlanesBitMap 0,3,12
BitPlanesBitMap 1,4,3
BitPlanesBitMap 1,5,12

;BitPlanesBitmap is used here to "devide" the original bitmap
;to allow the blitting of red/blue stars separately so, that
;whenever they share some area, the area will be coloured as
;a compination of red&blue (palette is made that way).
;This technique could be easily used with much more complex
;3D-programs with more complex objects - just 2 versions of
;one object should be blitted (one for each eye), the other
;in red and the other in blue, from little different "viewpoints"

For l=0 To 15
Read r,b
RGB l,b,0,r
Next l
Data 0,0,3,0,6,0,9,0,0,3,3,3,6,3,9,3,0,6,3,6,6,6,9,6,0,9,3,9,6,9,9,9


For l=1 To m
xv(l)=kpx+Rnd(100)-50:xo(l)=xv(l)+20:y(l)=kpy+Rnd(100)-50
z(l)=Rnd(100)
Next l
m=20:vakio=0.0003
kpx.q=170:kpy.q=120
While Joyb(0)=0
 For l=1 To m
  xv(l)=xv(l)+(xv(l)-kpx)*vakio*z(l)
  xo(l)=xv(l)+(200-z(l))*0.1
  y(l)=y(l)+(y(l)-kpy)*vakio*z(l)
  z(l)=z(l)+1
  If xv(l)<3 OR xo(l)>317 OR y(l)<3 OR y(l)>250 OR z(l)>200
   xv(l)=kpx+Rnd(100)-50:xo(l)=xv(l)+10:y(l)=kpy+Rnd(100)-50
   z(l)=Rnd(20)
  EndIf
  Use BitMap 2
  Blit 0,xv(l),y(l)
  Use BitMap 3
  Blit 0,xo(l),y(l)
 Next l
 Show 0
 Use BitMap 1
 Cls 0

 For l=1 To m
  xv(l)=xv(l)+(xv(l)-kpx)*vakio*z(l)
  xo(l)=xv(l)+(200-z(l))*0.1
  y(l)=y(l)+(y(l)-kpy)*vakio*z(l)
  z(l)=z(l)+1
  If xv(l)<3 OR xo(l)>317 OR y(l)<3 OR y(l)>250 OR z(l)>200
   xv(l)=kpx+Rnd(100)-50:xo(l)=xv(l)+10:y(l)=kpy+Rnd(100)-50
   z(l)=Rnd(20)
  EndIf
  Use BitMap 2
  Blit 0,xv(l),y(l)
  Use BitMap 3
  Blit 0,xo(l),y(l)
 Next l
 Show 1
 Use BitMap 0
 Cls 0
Wend
AMIGA
;MouseWait
End




From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:12 1995
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 17:45:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ralph Barbagallo <[e-mail]>
To: Philipp Lonke <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: I'm a bit rusty--so help me o ut.

    Hey all, I just started getting back into blitz today (I'm going
to code something over the summer--I hope).  So, I printed out my
old source from last summer and whipped up a program that just blits
a ball on the screen according to joystick movements. However, when I
COMPILE/RUN the thing it compiles, but doesn't appear to run.  The screen
doesn't even flinch.  I'll send the source up if you want (it's really
short), but are there any compile options or basic instructions needed
to get a program to compile and run correctly?  I loaded up my old
half-baked invaders source from last summer and it compiled without
a hitch and ran fine.  So, what's the deal?


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:12 1995
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 10:52:38 +1200 (NZST)
From: Simon <[e-mail]>
To: Joe Bott <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BitplanesBitmap



On Wed, 17 May 1995, Joe Bott wrote:

> Hello! I know this has been explained several times, but how does one
> effectivly use the BitplanesBitmap command? I'm trying to figure out how
> to blit my 1 bitplane image on a 3-4 bitplane bitmap, and get something
> beside only color #1...
>
> Thanks
> Joe
>
That is not what it is for, use the "excess color" optional parameter in
the blit command to blit a 1 color shape in different colors. Hmmm, well
you can use bitplanesbitmap for speed but unless you are blitting to a
clean area of the bitmap you will get color-mixing, which is good for
somethings but not good for others.
 >
>
>


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:12 1995
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 11:17:56 +1200 (NZST)
From: Simon <[e-mail]>
To: NIGEL HUGHES <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Am I moaning? Or being reasonable?



On Wed, 17 May 1995, NIGEL HUGHES wrote:

> Thanks to Brett Cooper in my case, who has sent praise, critques AND
> suggestions! Consequently 99% of his comments will be incorporated.
>
I'll pass the message on as he is currently up In Auckland for his
sisters wedding and I promised him a drink at the pub.

I have somehow gone from one major deadline to another and have hence
been programming Z80 machine code for the last 2 weeks. As soon as the
code is working it is definately Bum8 time...


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:12 1995
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 08:57:57 +0100 (BST)
From: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
To: Simon <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Am I moaning? Or being reasonable?

On Thu, 18 May 1995, Simon wrote:

> I have somehow gone from one major deadline to another and have hence
> been programming Z80 machine code for the last 2 weeks. As soon as the
> code is working it is definately Bum8 time...

Is this Super NES code?  I'm sure thats got an 8 bit chip like the Z80.

How about getting back to the amy for a few weeks? ;-)



Steve Mc.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:12 1995
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 09:55:07 +0100
From: MO Tiffany <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Am I moaning? Or being reasonable?

>     a while ago I asked if people wanted to test out a new version of
> my debugger - to check it works okay and is stable enough.  Well quite a
> few people offered to test it and each of them promptly received a copy
> through email.  Now this was quite a while ago and whilst I appreciate
> that people may be busy with other things I'll like to know what people
> thought.

Well I probably asked for it, but with my Ami being ill for the past 8 weeks
now (no HD), and Im only just sorting it, I cant really say~!

> I belive  Nigel Hughes is having this same problem - people who offer to
> test software but do not actually come back with suggestions or comments
> about the software.

Well I played with Shapez2 the other night - and it looked quite nice - I
didnt have much time with it though....
One thing that _might _ be an idea is to have a help type thing (like they
have in Word/etc - go into help mode, and little text sections appear under
the button the mouse is over to tell you what the button does.  I know that
I looked at all those nice buttons and thought - Cool - lots of things to do -
so what are they!

Just a thought.....

Mark Tiffany

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:12 1995
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 10:10:09 +0100
From: NIGEL HUGHES <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Am I moaning? Or being reasonable?


> Well I played with Shapez2 the other night - and it looked quite nice - I
> didnt have much time with it though....
> One thing that _might _ be an idea is to have a help type thing (like they
> have in Word/etc - go into help mode, and little text sections appear under
> the button the mouse is over to tell you what the button does.  I know that
> I looked at all those nice buttons and thought - Cool - lots of things to do
> -
> so what are they!

A good one to, actually the old version of ShapeZ used to have a similar
feature, but it kind of got lost in the rewrite, how about a help window,
with alittle bit of text in it saying what the current button is and what
ShapeZ is expecting you to do etc?

> Just a thought.....
>
> Mark Tiffany

Cheers Mark,

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:12 1995
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 22:54:03 +1200 (NZST)
From: Simon <[e-mail]>
To: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Am I moaning? Or being reasonable?



On Thu, 18 May 1995, Stephen McNamara wrote:

> Is this Super NES code?  I'm sure thats got an 8 bit chip like the Z80.
>
> How about getting back to the amy for a few weeks? ;-)
>
>
No its the coprocessor on the megadrive running at 4mhz with some very
slow opcodes indeed, makes the 68000K at 7 look like a ferrari.

As for Ami, I've been working on an editor (haven't we all!) which lets
you design 3D shapes with a number of bizarre tools, god it is so hard
making things good enough for your average graphics person say what...

Anyway, once you design your lego-3d style shape you can paint on it like
dpaint so edges can have darker blocks which makes the shape look rounder
(see harddrivin usa for best example of this technique)).

Anyway, each block is one pixel and the z80 and 68000 are both going to
be rendering cars on the fly by a sort of recursive line drawing system,
and seeing as megadrive is nibble per pixel it is a bit quick than old
ami's bitplanes.

The code is then going onto the gpu of the jaguar, this baby runs at
28mhz, is risk meaning properly written machine code = 1 instruction per
cycle. A lo res pixel takes 140 ns, so with a slightly smaller display
I think we can get somthing like 28mil/320*200*50 gives you something
like 10 instructions for each pixel at 50 fps.

A fast PC is going to give better performance but unless you have a
stealth or similar graphics card it takes the best part a frame just to
transfer graphics into VGA. So PC sucks.

Anyway, back to Jaguar, the DSP is just as fast as GPU so you can
pre-process your data before it gets to the GPU. For us this means that
the mountains and shit we have in our new iso-killer can be converted
from curves (nurby ones at that) into a dense array of triangles which
the gpu can then merrily draw (1200 per frame at present).

Hmmm, now i think ID have cottoned on to the jag because it is getting
their next release first with PC so that should be cool. Also street
price is now less than 150 quid which to me is just awesome.

OK, Amiga is not dead but Ted does deserve to be shot. I will be
releasing latest source code to Ted in Bum8 and I will have some time
next week to get it finished.

Sorry for the technical shit but if you get a cable with ABC that lets
you plug into 60 mips of power for 150 quid I think some of you will
appreciate this.

I'm off to netscape...

Bye.


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:12 1995
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 13:32:11 +0100
From: NIGEL HUGHES <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Am I moaning? Or being reasonable?

In message <[e-mail]>,
    Simon <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>
> On Thu, 18 May 1995, Stephen McNamara wrote:
> As for Ami, I've been working on an editor (haven't we all!) which lets
> you design 3D shapes with a number of bizarre tools, god it is so hard
> making things good enough for your average graphics person say what...

Hehe, I think we've all done that 8)

> The code is then going onto the gpu of the jaguar, this baby runs at
> 28mhz, is risk meaning properly written machine code = 1 instruction per
> cycle. A lo res pixel takes 140 ns, so with a slightly smaller display
> I think we can get somthing like 28mil/320*200*50 gives you something
> like 10 instructions for each pixel at 50 fps.

Yummy.

> A fast PC is going to give better performance but unless you have a
> stealth or similar graphics card it takes the best part a frame just to
> transfer graphics into VGA. So PC sucks.

Yup.

> Anyway, back to Jaguar, the DSP is just as fast as GPU so you can
> pre-process your data before it gets to the GPU. For us this means that
> the mountains and shit we have in our new iso-killer can be converted
> from curves (nurby ones at that) into a dense array of triangles which
> the gpu can then merrily draw (1200 per frame at present).

Any news from Atari? I heard you were going down there?

> Hmmm, now i think ID have cottoned on to the jag because it is getting
> their next release first with PC so that should be cool. Also street
> price is now less than 150 quid which to me is just awesome.

It is excellent.

> OK, Amiga is not dead but Ted does deserve to be shot. I will be
> releasing latest source code to Ted in Bum8 and I will have some time
> next week to get it finished.

That sounds like the ideal solution, is there ANY chance you could send
me the source sooner though? I would be eteranly grateful. Just think
of all of the stuff I have sent you over the last year. Am I begging?
I think I am.

> Sorry for the technical shit but if you get a cable with ABC that lets
> you plug into 60 mips of power for 150 quid I think some of you will
> appreciate this.

I think we will as well.

Nigel Hughes


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:12 1995
Date: Thu, 18 May 95 17:01:33 +0200
From: Studer Andreas 3132 <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Am I moaning? Or being reasonable?

Hello,

> > Anyway, back to Jaguar, the DSP is just as fast as GPU so you can
> > pre-process your data before it gets to the GPU. For us this means that
> > the mountains and shit we have in our new iso-killer can be converted
> > from curves (nurby ones at that) into a dense array of triangles which
> > the gpu can then merrily draw (1200 per frame at present).
>
> Any news from Atari? I heard you were going down there?

Well, if there are news, that the NN-side of Jaguar is now used to
sell the Jag-system, that some people there only talk about "what amazing system
the Saturn is",  That some people there talks about the death of Jag, that they
have a great lack of software, that Atari's shares will falling down every
week...

well, no special news, no.... :-)

cu

Andrew


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:12 1995
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 11:22:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ralph Barbagallo <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Random Number Routine

    Does anyone have a good random number routine?  I've been messing
around with VPOS, but I can't get a good one.  It seems to always come
up with the same number since the beam is at roughly the same position when the
game starts.


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:12 1995
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 18:49:08 +0300 (EETDST)
From: Mikko Makela <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Am I moaning? Or being reasonable? (fwd)

Forwarded message:
[deleted]

> A good one to, actually the old version of ShapeZ used to have a similar
> feature, but it kind of got lost in the rewrite, how about a help window,
> with alittle bit of text in it saying what the current button is and what
> ShapeZ is expecting you to do etc?
>

If I could decide, this would be in the guidelines for all software
done for Amiga from now on...

Someone told about good "TED" made by some german. Does it already
have something like this ? Simon, have you checked the editor ?
If you would want to read something else for a chance than moaning
from this list, give us better editor as soon as possible 8)...

-Mikko






From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:12 1995
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 18:53:38 +0300 (EETDST)
From: Mikko Makela <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Am I moaning? Or being reasonable? (fwd)

Forwarded message:

> From: Simon <[e-mail]>

> OK, Amiga is not dead but Ted does deserve to be shot. I will be
> releasing latest source code to Ted in Bum8 and I will have some time
> next week to get it finished.

Uh, I should have learned to read all messages before making a
statement - but this is good news indeed.

-Mikko


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:12 1995
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 19:13:43 +0300 (EETDST)
From: Mikko Makela <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Random Number Routine (fwd)

Forwarded message:
> From: Ralph Barbagallo <[e-mail]>
>
>     Does anyone have a good random number routine?  I've been messing
> around with VPOS, but I can't get a good one.  It seems to always come
> up with the same number since the beam is at roughly the same position when the
> game starts.
>
>
>

Have you tried the obvious: using Timer as a seed ?
Ofcourse, if you boot every time before playing, it may not work
too well either.

-Mikko


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:12 1995
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 15:13:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ralph Barbagallo <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: What's the deal?


>
>     Okay, I'm trying to do what I consider an extremely simple task
> in Blitz BASIC 2.  I'm making this ball bounce off the screen borders.
> So, when it hits the edge of the screen, it's supposed to assign the speed
> factor to the increment value.  If it hits the left side of the screen,
> I'll assign a negative speed value to the incrementy value etc.  And
> before the loop starts, it will add the incrementy and incrementx value
> to the actual x and y positions.  This makes the ball bounce of the
> edges of the screen.
>     HOWEVER... it seems Blitz has a problem using variables to do this.
> If I just put a number, say 2, instead of the speed value, it works like
> a charm.  But, if I put in speed, for the y value it refuses to negate
> the speed variable when I assign '-speed' to it  It seems to work fine
> when I assign -speed to the incrementx value.  But the ball just sticks
> along the bottom of the screen once it hits it, which I assume is the
> result of the incrementy value not negating.  If I go in and replace
> the reference to speed and -speed with a number, it works fine.  Why
> is this?
>     Also, how come I can't use the Abs function on a variable?
> I tried getting the Abs of enemy\incrementx by doing Abs(enemy\incrementx)
> but it gives me an error.  Argh!  Also, is there any way I can use
> something other than TED?  TED just plain sucks.
>
>
> --PAA23097.800824313/jupiter.cs.uml.edu--
>
>



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:13 1995
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 12:36:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Josh Farley <[e-mail]>
To: Simon <[e-mail]>
Cc: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Am I moaning? Or being reasonable?



On Thu, 18 May 1995, Simon wrote:

> OK, Amiga is not dead but Ted does deserve to be shot. I will be
> releasing latest source code to Ted in Bum8 and I will have some time
> next week to get it finished.

  Alright!  I personallly thank you from the bottom of my heart... and
I'll thank you better with an improved version, I hope... :)

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:13 1995
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 15:42:45 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Richard T. Elmore" <[e-mail]>
To: Ralph Barbagallo <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Random Number Routine

On Thu, 18 May 1995, Ralph Barbagallo wrote:

>     Does anyone have a good random number routine?  I've been messing
> around with VPOS, but I can't get a good one.  It seems to always come
> up with the same number since the beam is at roughly the same position when the
> game starts.

If you haven't already got it, I believe BUM5 or BUM6 had my RRandomize
and RRnd functions that should do what you want... The same set of
libraries also had a "Ticks" function that is similar to "Timer" in other
BASICs, so if you do:

RRandomize Ticks
Number=RRNd(1,10)

You won't be able to improve the randomness of that very well, and it's
pretty darn fast... (Though improved versions of those libraries are on
their way...)

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:13 1995
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 18:35:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ralph Barbagallo <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Collision Schemes

    Okay, I'm doing a simple game here.  Should be finished in a few
days.  It's basically a modified version of Crash 'n' Score from the
Atari 2600. :)  I can't get a good collision routine going though.  I've
used Dpaint brushes for my shapes, but when I use the ShapesHit (or
whateveR) command, it seems to detect collisions around a sizable
perimeter surrounding the actual shape.  Just what are the X and Y
values in that command for?  And what are some better sprite collision
schemes? (Or should I have used ShapeZ2 instead of Dpaint to save my shapes?)


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:13 1995
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 17:44:51 -0500 (CDT)
From: Joe Bott <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Slices

Hello everyone! Just wondering, why cant I have a dual playfield slice
with 5 bitplanes, when the back bitmap has 1 bitplane, and the front has 4?
Right now I'm using 2 and 3 plane bitmaps, but 8 colors for the front is
becoming a little short of what I need....

Joey.



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:13 1995
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 19:25:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ralph Barbagallo <[e-mail]>
To: Simon <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail], [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Collision Schemes

    Well, I made sure I clipped the shapes pretty thightly with the polygon
marquee tool in DpaintIII.  So I don't know why the detections are so
wide around the object.  What are the X and Y values for in the ShapesHit
command? Is that to specify the position of the shape you're detecting
for/against?


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:13 1995
Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 11:16:28 +1200 (NZST)
From: Simon <[e-mail]>
To: Ralph Barbagallo <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Collision Schemes



On Thu, 18 May 1995, Ralph Barbagallo wrote:

>     Okay, I'm doing a simple game here.  Should be finished in a few
> days.  It's basically a modified version of Crash 'n' Score from the
> Atari 2600. :)  I can't get a good collision routine going though.  I've
> used Dpaint brushes for my shapes, but when I use the ShapesHit (or
> whateveR) command, it seems to detect collisions around a sizable
> perimeter surrounding the actual shape.  Just what are the X and Y
> values in that command for?  And what are some better sprite collision
> schemes? (Or should I have used ShapeZ2 instead of Dpaint to save my shapes?)
> >
>
When you cut out your shapes you should definately make them as this and
short as possible as the width and height of the brush when you cut it
out from dpaint is whats ShapeShit uses (hmmm, did I spell that right?)

Simon


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:13 1995
Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 11:18:09 +1200 (NZST)
From: Simon <[e-mail]>
To: blitz list <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Slices



On Thu, 18 May 1995, Joe Bott wrote:

> Hello everyone! Just wondering, why cant I have a dual playfield slice
> with 5 bitplanes, when the back bitmap has 1 bitplane, and the front has 4?
> Right now I'm using 2 and 3 plane bitmaps, but 8 colors for the front is
> becoming a little short of what I need....
>
> Joey.
>
Cos the hardware can't handle it. Are you scrolling them at different
speeds, if you aren't I'll write another message about bitplanes bitmap
for you all...

Simon


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:13 1995
Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 11:46:28 +0800
From: Richard Wiffen <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Random Number Routine

> From: Ralph Barbagallo <[e-mail]>

>    Does anyone have a good random number routine?  I've been messing
> around with VPOS, but I can't get a good one.  It seems to always come
> up with the same number since the beam is at roughly the same position when
> the game starts.

How about using a pseudo-random sequence generator?  They're good if you need
lots of *reasonably* random numbers *fast*.

I'll elaborate later if anyone wants me to, but right now, I have lab report
due in two hours...  :P

- Richard

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:13 1995
Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 08:58:54 +0100 (BST)
From: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
To: Blitzlist <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Am I moaning? Or being reasonable?

On Thu, 18 May 1995, Simon wrote:

> As for Ami, I've been working on an editor (haven't we all!) which lets
> you design 3D shapes with a number of bizarre tools, god it is so hard
> making things good enough for your average graphics person say what...
>
> Anyway, once you design your lego-3d style shape you can paint on it like
> dpaint so edges can have darker blocks which makes the shape look rounder
> (see harddrivin usa for best example of this technique)).
>

[Techy stuff deleted]

[More techy stuff deleted]

> Hmmm, now i think ID have cottoned on to the jag because it is getting
> their next release first with PC so that should be cool. Also street
> price is now less than 150 quid which to me is just awesome.
>
> OK, Amiga is not dead but Ted does deserve to be shot. I will be
> releasing latest source code to Ted in Bum8 and I will have some time
> next week to get it finished.

Is the source code going to be usable though?  I personally aren't too
bothered about the actual source - I'd just like information about the
file formats that blitz uses and how ted deals with tokenisation etc.
Also knowing how to interface with the compiler would be nice.

> Sorry for the technical shit but if you get a cable with ABC that lets
> you plug into 60 mips of power for 150 quid I think some of you will
> appreciate this.

Well it all sounds very interesting Simon...  I'm afraid, though, that some
of us are still trying to survive with our low spec amigas...  I suppose
I could ask about deadlines for BUM8 and ABC, but I'd better not....
Hmm... maybe I'll go away and hide in a corner somewhere.



Steve Mc.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:13 1995
Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 09:48:00 +0100
From: MO Tiffany <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: STANDARD HELP? (Was Re: Am I moaning? Or being reasonable? )

>
> > A good one to, actually the old version of ShapeZ used to have a similar
> > feature, but it kind of got lost in the rewrite, how about a help window,
> > with alittle bit of text in it saying what the current button is and what
> > ShapeZ is expecting you to do etc?
> >
>
> If I could decide, this would be in the guidelines for all software
> done for Amiga from now on...

BUt it needs to be standardized - maybe we should 'together' make up some
kind of 'standard' way to do this.  Or maybe we should move this discussion to
c.s.a.programmer, but anyway...

Maybe we could between us write some kind of blitz function that gives a
standard (font sensitive) window for help that everyone agrees looks good.
I dont know if this would be beneficial to people - at least then everyone
has access to a standard Help thang.

What do people think of this?

Mark Tiffany

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:13 1995
Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 10:03:30 +0100
From: NIGEL HUGHES <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Leading Edge 2 - Cruel World 1


Dear All,
    I would just to make an announcement! Some of you will have heard
various people from Leading Edge mention Blitz Bombers AGA. Well despite
some very bad luck with a publisher, it looks like we may have finally got
a bit of break.

    If you would like to check out Issue 50 of Amiga Power, you will see
a little 1/4 page set on Blitz Bombers on page 19. This is just the half
of it (at least it enabled us to pull one back against Cruel World).

    In the next next issue (not the one just coming but the one after that)
of The One (Amiga) magazine you should be able to see a full interview and
Work In Progress, with any luck there will be a cover-disk demo as well.

    While we still do not have a publisher, The One is very enthusiastic
about Blitz Bombers, and we hope this publicity will lead to a publisher
approaching us.

    Just really wanted to blow our trumpets!

    Just so you know who we are (you should know by now!) Leading
Edge comprise of...


    Steve McNamare (Programming)
    Steve Matty    (Programming)
    Steve Innell   (Music)
    Mike Richards  (Art Work)
    Steve Green    (Level + Map Coordinator)
    Nigel Hughes   (Project Manager + PC Conversion)

    Everyone give Steve Mc, Matty, Innell and Mike Richards a medal for
getting everything ready so I could send it to The One!

    Come on Blitz Coders, I know we are more talented than most 8) but
you can do it too!

    Nigel Hughes



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:13 1995
Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 10:21:20 +0100 (BST)
From: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
To: Blitzlist <[e-mail]>
Subject: What we NEED

What blitz really really needs is an optimiser...


Steve Mc.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:13 1995
Date: Fri, 19 May 95 12:50:17 GMT
From: Brian Skreeg <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: ASM tan table (I refuse to give up)

Ok, This is my third plea for assistance concerning my tan table.
I refuse to give up on my quest for help simply because I can't figure it
out myself and I can go no further without it.
    I need to generate a tan table for ASM (most likely in words) with 256
antries from 0 to 90 degrees. My main problem is I don't know how to create
the actual file and put my data into it? Help?......please?.

I also notice ol' Nigel is doing Blitz Bomber. Great! Masterblaster is
awsome so Blitz Bomber should be awesome awesome. Release date?

I also also notice that this list is now mirroring onto the newsgroup so I
might as well drop the newgroups now. Instead of reading the same stuff
twice. Any news on the comp. group? Mikko?

Cheers,


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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:13 1995
Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 15:54:43 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Mikko Makela <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: STANDARD HELP? (fwd)

Forwarded message:

> > If I could decide, this would be in the guidelines for all software
> > done for Amiga from now on...
>
> BUt it needs to be standardized - maybe we should 'together' make up some
> kind of 'standard' way to do this.  Or maybe we should move this discussion to
> c.s.a.programmer, but anyway...
>
> Maybe we could between us write some kind of blitz function that gives a
> standard (font sensitive) window for help that everyone agrees looks good.
> I dont know if this would be beneficial to people - at least then everyone
> has access to a standard Help thang.
>
> What do people think of this?
>

I think this sounds good (but that's no surprise).

Making standard takes one person, who actually makes the first
version (that could be you Mark), and after that many other's
opinions for making it even better. Taking the discussion rigth
away to c.s.a.programmer could be good - but making a good example
first and then referring to it could be even better.

I have also dreamed a little bit of something else concerning
help for applications: some kind of "living" mascots which
would give the help. That could be nice for at least kids and
beginners... but let's look at that later (if someone with
animation skills is interested, that is).

-Mikko


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:13 1995
Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 14:05:06 +0100
From: NIGEL HUGHES <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: STANDARD HELP? (Was Re: Am I moaning? Or being reasonable? )

In message <[e-mail]>,
    MO Tiffany <[e-mail]>
writes:
> >
> > > A good one to, actually the old version of ShapeZ used to have a similar
> > > feature, but it kind of got lost in the rewrite, how about a help window,
> > > with alittle bit of text in it saying what the current button is and what
> > > ShapeZ is expecting you to do etc?
> > >
> >
> > If I could decide, this would be in the guidelines for all software
> > done for Amiga from now on...
>
> BUt it needs to be standardized - maybe we should 'together' make up some
> kind of 'standard' way to do this.  Or maybe we should move this discussion t
> o
> c.s.a.programmer, but anyway...
>
> Maybe we could between us write some kind of blitz function that gives a
> standard (font sensitive) window for help that everyone agrees looks good.
> I dont know if this would be beneficial to people - at least then everyone
> has access to a standard Help thang.
>
> What do people think of this?
>
> Mark Tiffany

Mark|All,
     It would be easy to write a helplib but the issue is how it would
work. I think it would be an idea have the following commands,

    InitHelp UseWindow#,MaxWidth,Clearwhenempty

    DisplayHelp helptext$

Usewindow can just be so it does not get in the way of your own window
allocation, max width, well stop help window obscuring too much, and
clearwhenempty allows you to set wether the window disappears when over
nothing.

helptext$ can use a simple markup language to allow maybe bold/underlined
text.

The main issue is how you decide which button the pointer is over.
If you specify coordinates relative to each window, then it easy
IF you only want help for those buttons in the ACTIVE window. If you
want it to display help for WHATEVER is under the pointer wether it is
active or not, well that is a different matter. It is still trivial
if no windows are over lapping, but I am not too sure how you
find out which out of two windows is nearest to the front.

I shall knock up a demo program this weekend and you can see what you
think...

Nigel Hughes


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:13 1995
Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 14:22:27 +0100
From: NIGEL HUGHES <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: A neat fix for Acid library bugs!


Dear All,
    I have come up with a neat command that enables all those Acid
commands that do not work inside statements and functions (like the
ASLFIlerequest stuff) to, well, work! NB these commands work if they
are in the "root" part of your program.

    Anyone who wants a copy will find it part of the next distribution
of ShapeZ. The commands that i have found that have this problem are,


    ASLFilerequest$
    Window             with a super bitmap

I'm sure others have found more, well they can now ALL work!


    Nigel Hughes


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:13 1995
Date: 19 May 95 13:38
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Gadgets with style


  Can anyone tell me how to create gadtools gadgets with labels in
different styles i.e. bold, italic and underline and is there anyone
else out there who has had trouble with the 'Bevelbox' command as when I
try to use it my machine gurus (even with run-time errors enabled).



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:13 1995
Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 15:02:37 +0100 (BST)
From: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Gadgets with style

On 19 May 1995 [e-mail] wrote:

>
>   Can anyone tell me how to create gadtools gadgets with labels in
> different styles i.e. bold, italic and underline and is there anyone
> else out there who has had trouble with the 'Bevelbox' command as when I
> try to use it my machine gurus (even with run-time errors enabled).

God knows about the style question, I can tell you though that the
GTBevelBox requires a window to be open - it renders a bevel box into a
window - you cannot call up whilst setting up the rest of your GTList.


Steve Mc.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:13 1995
Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 15:06:52 +0100 (BST)
From: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
To: Blitzlist <[e-mail]>
Subject: Standard Help?

I think it'd be nice to have standard systems in use throughout software,
esp. software geared to blitz basic users.  In our own products (map ed,
shapez) we are trying to make the presentation and method of doing things
standard.

Doing a standard help requester/online help system would be a nice way to
start trying to create a larger picture.  Everyone will have their own
ideas about what sort of help would be necessary.  Personally I think it
should be a DOpus 4 type help, where you select the help gadget, then
click on the gadget/menu item you want help on.  Then a requester opens
up with the information for that gadget/menu.

Maybe this could be a little compo - we talked about one on the list ages
ago but nothing every took off.  Now that the list has got some semblance
of life back into it, it may be a good idea to try something like this...


Later,
Steve Mc.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:13 1995
Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 15:29:06 +0100
From: MO Tiffany <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: STANDARD HELP? (fwd)

> Making standard takes one person, who actually makes the first
> version (that could be you Mark), and after that many other's

I could give it a go, but my Amiga`s still not quite sorted (what with a
new HD just gone in there...), so I would say Id knock a little something up
this weekend, but....

Lets see what Nigel comes up with anyway..... (see his earlier mail)

> opinions for making it even better. Taking the discussion rigth
> away to c.s.a.programmer could be good - but making a good example
> first and then referring to it could be even better.

Tis what I thought.  ;}

> I have also dreamed a little bit of something else concerning
> help for applications: some kind of "living" mascots which
> would give the help. That could be nice for at least kids and
> beginners... but let's look at that later (if someone with
> animation skills is interested, that is).

This could be implemnted as an option.  So that the user could select Help,
and depending on their 'user-rating', then the help comes as either just
a simple few words to describe things, or that plus words, or with a little
'mascot'  The latter is not necessary and doesnt need to be supported by
all, but would consist of some basic anims for the character that could
be put together.  I think this is definitely an extra for 'after'.

I was thinking of something like this...

    .-------------------------.
    |I|_______________________|   <--- Here goes the short desc.
    |                         |
    |                         |
    |                         |   <--- Here goes a longer desc.
    |                         |
    '-------------------------'

Just the window title could be shown for the simplest version of help
with an expand gadget to get the rest out.

As for what Nigel said about implementation..

>     It would be easy to write a helplib but the issue is how it would
>work. I think it would be an idea have the following commands,
>
>    InitHelp UseWindow#,MaxWidth,Clearwhenempty
>
>    DisplayHelp helptext$

Something like this is what I had in mind, although commands more like..

InitHelp UseWindow#,x,y,w,h   <-- sets up help stuff 'forever'
ClearWhenEmpty On|Off         <-- a flag so it could be turned on/off as needed
OpenHelp                      <-- open the help window
CloseHelp                     <-- close the help window
CurrentHelp simple$,helptext$ <-- (instead of DisplayHelp)

    A markup language would help, but we only need a few things, such as
bold and underline.  Obviously not neede for simple$ (this is what goes in
the window title).

Thats about all i can think to contribute for now.

Mark Tiffany

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:13 1995
Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 15:32:36 +0100
From: MO Tiffany <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: STANDARD HELP

Another thought on this help thing - maybe it should be included into the
new Blitz editor (whoever writes it in the end).  The stuff we currently get
on the titlebar could go to the title of the window, and maybe some kind of
better explanation could go into the main desc.

I possibly didnt make it clear in my last mail that what is displayed is
whatever was in the last CurrentHelp commenad processed.  Probably fairly
obvious, but....

Mark Tiffany

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:13 1995
Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 18:03:33 +0300 (EETDST)
From: Mikko Makela <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Standard Help? (fwd)

Forwarded message:
> From blitz-list-owner  Fri May 19 17:57:46 1995
> Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 15:06:52 +0100 (BST)
> From: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
>
> Doing a standard help requester/online help system would be a nice way to
> start trying to create a larger picture.  Everyone will have their own
> ideas about what sort of help would be necessary.  Personally I think it
> should be a DOpus 4 type help, where you select the help gadget, then
> click on the gadget/menu item you want help on.  Then a requester opens
> up with the information for that gadget/menu.

This could be the road to take, as it should be much easier to
make such a help than the like talked earlier.

Maybe menus could have help too, via some kind of "help mode" -
when in help mode, menus give help of their functionality, but
don't do what normally.

-Mikko



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:13 1995
Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 16:31:28 +0100
From: NIGEL HUGHES <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Standard Help? (fwd)

In message <[e-mail]>,
    Mikko Makela <[e-mail]> writes:
> Forwarded message:
> > From blitz-list-owner  Fri May 19 17:57:46 1995
> > Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 15:06:52 +0100 (BST)
> > From: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
> >
> > Doing a standard help requester/online help system would be a nice way to
> > start trying to create a larger picture.  Everyone will have their own
> > ideas about what sort of help would be necessary.  Personally I think it
> > should be a DOpus 4 type help, where you select the help gadget, then
> > click on the gadget/menu item you want help on.  Then a requester opens
> > up with the information for that gadget/menu.
>
> This could be the road to take, as it should be much easier to
> make such a help than the like talked earlier.

Well I have just looked through my manuals and it is not as hard
as I though. Should have working demo on Monday, I'll put it
out to vote then and we can go from there.

Mark: I am going to use your command set as a base, OK?

> Maybe menus could have help too, via some kind of "help mode" -
> when in help mode, menus give help of their functionality, but
> don't do what normally.

Menus are a good piont...

> -Mikko
>
>
>


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:13 1995
Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 19:36:53 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Patrik R}dman MNF94 <[e-mail]>
Reply to: [e-mail]
Cc: Blitz Basic Mailing List <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Standard Help?

> Doing a standard help requester/online help system would be a nice way to
> start trying to create a larger picture.  Everyone will have their own
> ideas about what sort of help would be necessary.  Personally I think it
> should be a DOpus 4 type help, where you select the help gadget, then
> click on the gadget/menu item you want help on.  Then a requester opens
> up with the information for that gadget/menu.

I like the help system in ReOrg (maybe an old version): You press "Help" (or
select help from a menu) and the mouse pointer turns into a smaller pointer
plus a "?". You now click on a gadget, and a window pops up saying what the
gadget does. To get out of help mode just press "Help" again.

IMHO the best help system I've ever seen. Worked beautifully.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:13 1995
Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 16:40:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: Joe Bott <[e-mail]>
To: Simon <[e-mail]>
Cc: blitz list <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Slices

On Fri, 19 May 1995, Simon wrote:

> Cos the hardware can't handle it. Are you scrolling them at different
> speeds, if you aren't I'll write another message about bitplanes bitmap
> for you all...
>
> Simon
>

Yes I am, doing sortof a paralax thing.. Ah well..

Joe



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:13 1995
Date: Fri, 19 May 95 21:43:17 CET
From: Philipp Lonke <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: STANDARD HELP? (Was Re: Am I moaning? Or being reasonable? )

Hi NIGEL, you wrote in <[e-mail]> on May 19:

>     InitHelp UseWindow#,MaxWidth,Clearwhenempty
>
>     DisplayHelp helptext$

I wouldn't make it like this. Better should be a little online help,
when the mousepointer rests longer than 2 sec. over a window/gadget a
little Requester pops up telling the user what this window/gadget is
for. Try e.g. Triton, a Gui enhancement which offer this.

> helptext$ can use a simple markup language to allow maybe bold/underlined
> text.

What about using HTML or the language Amigaguide uses? Do not reinvent
the wheel...

--
Philipp Lonke * [e-mail] * postal adress on demand
"Lehrerkommödie: Die Armut der Lehrer, während die Staaten Unsummen für
die Wehrmacht hinauswerfen. Da sie nur Lehrer für 600 DM sich leisten
können, bleiben die Völker so dumm, daß sie sich Kriege für 60
Milliarden leisten müssen." (Ch. Morgenstern, "Aphorismen")


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:13 1995
Date: Sat, 20 May 95 01:57:22 GMT
From: Brian Skreeg <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Array Subscript out of Range when BBlitting ? (fwd)

:I reckon that on May 19, Mikko Makela wrote:
:
:What is going on when I get "Array Subscript out of Range" when
:I do BBlit ? It can't be that I have too little buffer, I think...
:(and shouldn't it then give "BufferOverflow" ?)
:
:This happened after I changed my game to doublebuffer - I guess
:it's some simple mistake, but I can't find it.



It means you're trying to blit to an area outside of your bitmap.
Simple.


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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:13 1995
Date: Sat, 20 May 1995 15:15:26 +1000 (EST)
From: Mr M Sawicki <[e-mail]>
To: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
Cc: Blitzlist <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: What we NEED



On Fri, 19 May 1995, Stephen McNamara wrote:

> What blitz really really needs is an optimiser...
>

Perhaps if someone will write an optimiser for Blitz, they may want to look
at g++ code as it generates truly excellent ouput especially with -O3 flag
set on.

Maciek.





From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:13 1995
Date: Sat, 20 May 1995 15:33:56 +0100 (BST)
From: Andy Pelton <[e-mail]>
To: Blitz-List <[e-mail]>
Subject: Sorry!

Sorry if my last mail caused any offence, I was a bit pissed of yesterday.

    What should that empty entitled "heres the code" mail have included.

    Also anyone want to sell a original of the Go-Go`s "Beauty and
the beat" Good condition MCs only, I would prefer any contacts in the
Coventry/Birmingham area.


    When is BUM8 going to be released?

    Cheers Andy.



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:13 1995
Date: Sat, 20 May 95 14:34:42 CET
From: Philipp Lonke <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: STANDARD HELP? (fwd)

Hi MO, you wrote in <[e-mail]> on May 19:

>     .-------------------------.
>     |I|_______________________|   <--- Here goes the short desc.
>     |                         |
>     |                         |
>     |                         |   <--- Here goes a longer desc.
>     |                         |
>     '-------------------------'

Where the longer desc. should be an option which could be turned
on/off via
                LongHelp On|Off
So only a short Titlebar pops on, if the user want's it.

> >    InitHelp UseWindow#,MaxWidth,Clearwhenempty
> >
> >    DisplayHelp helptext$
>
> Something like this is what I had in mind, although commands more like..
>
> InitHelp UseWindow#,x,y,w,h   <-- sets up help stuff 'forever'
> ClearWhenEmpty On|Off         <-- a flag so it could be turned on/off as needed
> OpenHelp                      <-- open the help window
> CloseHelp                     <-- close the help window
> CurrentHelp simple$,helptext$ <-- (instead of DisplayHelp)

To set the text to a gadget, you should use the following thing:

    HotHelp gadgetlist#,gadget#,shorthelp$,longhelp$

And it should work with BlitzGadgets, GadToolsgadgets, MUI, Triton and
all the other GUIs!!

>     A markup language would help, but we only need a few things, such as
> bold and underline.  Obviously not neede for simple$ (this is what goes in
> the window title).

I recommend HTML or the Amigaguide-Language. Do not reinvent the wheel
;)

--
Philipp Lonke * [e-mail] * postal adress on demand
"Lehrerkommödie: Die Armut der Lehrer, während die Staaten Unsummen für
die Wehrmacht hinauswerfen. Da sie nur Lehrer für 600 DM sich leisten
können, bleiben die Völker so dumm, daß sie sich Kriege für 60
Milliarden leisten müssen." (Ch. Morgenstern, "Aphorismen")


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:13 1995
Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 10:54:51 +1200 (NZST)
From: Simon <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Array Subscript out of Range when BBlitting ? (fwd)



On Sat, 20 May 1995, Brian Skreeg wrote:

> :I reckon that on May 19, Mikko Makela wrote:
> :
> :What is going on when I get "Array Subscript out of Range" when
> :I do BBlit ? It can't be that I have too little buffer, I think...
> :(and shouldn't it then give "BufferOverflow" ?)
> :
Ummm, can we see the actual line of code, if there are any brackets
anywhhere on the line you need to look at why if any reason Blitz would
think you are referencing an array...

Simon


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:13 1995
Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 00:58:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Josh Farley <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Serial


Hmm... the following section of code produces a "serial port not open"
error on line 2...

a.l=OpenSerial("serial.device",1,19200,128)
If a<>0 Then SetSerialLens1,8,8,1

Now, shouldn't OpenSerial return 0 when I try to open Unit 1?  It doesn't...

Josh



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:13 1995
Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 07:07:05 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Richard T. Elmore" <[e-mail]>
To: Brian Skreeg <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: ASM tan table (I refuse to give up)

On Fri, 19 May 1995, Brian Skreeg wrote:

> Ok, This is my third plea for assistance concerning my tan table.
> I refuse to give up on my quest for help simply because I can't figure it
> out myself and I can go no further without it.
>     I need to generate a tan table for ASM (most likely in words) with 256
> antries from 0 to 90 degrees. My main problem is I don't know how to create
> the actual file and put my data into it? Help?......please?.

The easiest method I know of is to put the values into an array of words
and save it out to disk using WriteMem... The following example may or
may not create the table you have in mind, but it should illustrate how
you'd save it out and later access it:

;Build Table (Separate Program)
Dim tbl.w(89)
For i=0 to 89:tbl(i)=Tan(i):Next   ;(You'd probably modify this)

If WriteFile(0,"Bin:Tan90.tab")
    WriteMem 0,&tbl(0),(90*SizeOf.w)
EndIf
CloseFile 0



;This is a different program, to illustrate accessing the table again...

;Get the table's value for Tan(45)
v.w=Peek.w(?tantab+45*SizeOf.w)
NPrint v
MouseWait:End

tantab: IncBin "Bin:Tan90.tab"


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On Fri, 19 May 1995, Brian Skreeg wrote:

> Ok, This is my third plea for assistance concerning my tan table.
> I refuse to give up on my quest for help simply because I can't figure it
> out myself and I can go no further without it.
>     I need to generate a tan table for ASM (most likely in words) with 256
> antries from 0 to 90 degrees. My main problem is I don't know how to create
> the actual file and put my data into it? Help?......please?.

The easiest method I know of is to put the values into an array of words
and save it out to disk using WriteMem... The following example may or
may not create the table you have in mind, but it should illustrate how
you'd save it out and later access it:

;Build Table (Separate Program)
Dim tbl.w(89)
For i=0 to 89:tbl(i)=Tan(i):Next   ;(You'd probably modify this)

If WriteFile(0,"Bin:Tan90.tab")
    WriteMem 0,&tbl(0),(90*SizeOf.w)
EndIf
CloseFile 0



;This is a different program, to illustrate accessing the table again...

;Get the table's value for Tan(45)
v.w=Peek.w(?tantab+45*SizeOf.w)
NPrint v
MouseWait:End

tantab: IncBin "Bin:Tan90.tab"


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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:14 1995
Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 17:24:02 -0500 (CDT)
From: Maestria en Filosofia <[e-mail]>
To: Josh Farley <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Serial



On Sun, 21 May 1995, Josh Farley wrote:

>
> Hmm... the following section of code produces a "serial port not open"
> error on line 2...
>
> a.l=OpenSerial("serial.device",1,19200,128)
> If a<>0 Then SetSerialLens1,8,8,1
>
> Now, shouldn't OpenSerial return 0 when I try to open Unit 1?  It doesn't...
>
  Josh:

   Try using a "a.w" instead of "a.l"

   Pedro C.


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:14 1995
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 14:47:37 +1200 (NZST)
From: Simon <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Serial

On Sun, 21 May 1995, Maestria en Filosofia wrote:
> On Sun, 21 May 1995, Josh Farley wrote:
> > a.l=OpenSerial("serial.device",1,19200,128)
> > If a<>0 Then SetSerialLens1,8,8,1
> > Now, shouldn't OpenSerial return 0 when I try to open Unit 1?  It doesn't...
>    Try using a "a.w" instead of "a.l"
>    Pedro C.

No I don't think that is it. The docs say either you get the address of
the io packet thingy or zero if openserial fails. I'm just wondering if
you have a funny entry in your mountlist or something that is misleading
the device... suppose I should try , 1 second...

Yeh, my machine returns zero ok...

Simon


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:14 1995
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 00:59:28 -0600 (MDT)
From: AL MUNTASIR <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Making A simple Star Field ?


Hi everyone,

    I just downloaded the latest Blitz Blanker and Im trully
impressed. However, I was woundring how would someone go about
doing something like the starfield module.

I mean, I tried doing a simple starfield for my game intro, and
although the results are not too bad, they are no where as smooth
as the starfield that came with the blanker.
Can someone point me int the right direction ?

TIA

Hesham Amiri

P.S I just started programming in BB2, but I'm pretty familiar
with prorg the amiga graphix using C.


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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:14 1995
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 09:09:57 +0100
From: NIGEL HUGHES <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Standard Help Library On Line and WORKING!


Dear All,
    I have with me a new version of ShapeZ that uses my new Standard
help library.

    It is in the end, very configurable.

    There are 3 (user setable) levels of help.

    Prompt,
    Hint,
    Reveal.

    Where the help appears is also configurable. If we have a button


      NW   N     NE
    ________
    |      |
      SW|      | E
    |      |
    --------
      SW   S     SE

    You can make help appear at anyof the corners. You can ignore
all of these and just set Help to appear in a fixed x,y position. You can
even have a combination where the x,y position is an offset from N,NE,E,SE,S
,SW,W,NW.

    You may also set a delay (number of INTUITICKS) before the help
window appears, this stops it flickering around after you.

    I have a version of ShapeZ with  this feature in (On the control
window and Editor window) which well let you control any of the above
settings.

    I could also have an option for it only to appear when the user
clicks, which would satisfy all those people who wanted that.

    What I would suggest is for me to write a preferences program so
each user can set Blitz Help to behave how they want it. Every program that
uses help should check the settings in here.

    I will make up a release for everyone as soon as people have seen
it and OK'ed it. I think you will like it a lot.

    There are a few problems with uneven text formatting, but it IS font
sensitive.

    Anyone who made a request for ShapeZ from Friday onwards will get a
copy sent straight away. Mark you can have one now as well 8)

    Nigel Hughes

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:14 1995
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 09:52:21 +0100
From: MO Tiffany <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: STANDARD HELP

Just aniother thought...

Can we try and put this help code into an actual library, as in a
'help.library' file?  Anyone know how to do this, and would this be a good
idea.  Also we can then (possibly) let other languages use it, and we have
a full help system for any Amiga programmer?

THoughts on this anyone???

Mark Tiffany

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:14 1995
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 07:29:41 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Richard T. Elmore" <[e-mail]>
To: MO Tiffany <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: STANDARD HELP

On Mon, 22 May 1995, MO Tiffany wrote:

> Can we try and put this help code into an actual library, as in a
> 'help.library' file?  Anyone know how to do this, and would this be a good

I was just wondering why nobody is using the amigaguide.library like
developers in most other languages do... It's part of the OS since 2.04,
so it's the "standard" for hypertext on the Amiga...

Combined with a "help-mode" for your gadgets and menus, it appears to me
it would be the best way to handle "help."

In case there are those of you out there who haven't played with
Amigaguide.library, you can set it up to open it's window on your own
screen, as well as load datatypes objects in 3.0 and above... It's really
pretty nice.


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On Mon, 22 May 1995, MO Tiffany wrote:

> Can we try and put this help code into an actual library, as in a
> 'help.library' file?  Anyone know how to do this, and would this be a good

I was just wondering why nobody is using the amigaguide.library like
developers in most other languages do... It's part of the OS since 2.04,
so it's the "standard" for hypertext on the Amiga...

Combined with a "help-mode" for your gadgets and menus, it appears to me
it would be the best way to handle "help."

In case there are those of you out there who haven't played with
Amigaguide.library, you can set it up to open it's window on your own
screen, as well as load datatypes objects in 3.0 and above... It's really
pretty nice.


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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:14 1995
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 16:13:24 +0100 (BST)
From: Pink <[e-mail]>
To: The Blitz list <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Making A simple Star Field ?

Just recently Hesham Amiri was asking about how to make a Star Field such
as that used in the excellent BlitzBlank 2.60, the latest version which
can be found on Aminet.  Despite the name, most of the blanker modules
were written in C, and those that are not, such as my Plasma module,
cannot use Blitz`s own screen/palette/drawing commands, as they are
currently not compatible with graphics cards.  The BlitzBlank.library
opens a screen for you automatically, and all drawing/blitting etc. is
done using OS commands.  If you are familiar with using C then you should
have no trouble using these OS commands in Blitz as they are identical.
As for how to create a star field using them, I`ll leave that up to you! :)

If you want a small example of how to interface with BlitzBlank in Blitz2
then let me know.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:14 1995
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 21:34:05 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Patrik R}dman MNF94 <[e-mail]>
Reply to: [e-mail]
To: Blitz Basic Mailing List <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: STANDARD HELP

> > Can we try and put this help code into an actual library, as in a
> > 'help.library' file?  Anyone know how to do this, and would this be a good

[ snip ]

> In case there are those of you out there who haven't played with
> Amigaguide.library, you can set it up to open it's window on your own
> screen, as well as load datatypes objects in 3.0 and above... It's really
> pretty nice.

Some of us are using WB 2.x and 1 MB of memory you know... A help library
smaller (and faster?) than amigaguide could be a good idea.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:14 1995
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 15:04:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Josh Farley <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Serial bug


Okay, now I've found where the real bug is...

SetSerialLens returns a "Serial device not open" error when the unit
#=1... this is a problem...

It is the only blitz serial command I've found that does this...

Josh



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:14 1995
Date: Tue, 23 May 95 12:09:30 +1300
From: Brett Cooper <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Am I moaning? Or being reasonable?


Hello Blitz Bards,

On May 18 Simon wrote:

> On Wed, 17 May 1995, NIGEL wrote:
>
> > Thanks to Brett Cooper in my case, who has sent praise, critques AND
> > suggestions! Consequently 99% of his comments will be incorporated.
> >
> I'll pass the message on as he is currently up In Auckland for his
> sisters wedding and I promised him a drink at the pub.

The message did get to me (thanks for the kind words Nigel and passing it
on to me Simon),  My sister had a great wedding and she let me know that
all is well with her world.  It's good chaching up with realithaves.
Simon, thanks for the beer,  the view from that pubs upstairs window
looking out over the harbor toward the volcanio in the distance with
the patches of sun light and patches of rain created such powerfull images
in my head that I will keep the memory for ever or until I die.  Say Hi
to Andrew,  did he get a buzz from the passive smoke in your office.
Just got back to Bulls to day, I think I have 95 message to read (most from
all the real grovey people on the blitz list.  Know time to waste,  must
read on...

Rember the chapital of Bulls is 'B',  what else could it be but b.

Must rush off now.

Brett


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:14 1995
Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 12:47:09 +1000 (EST)
From: Brett Johansen <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Where can I get RIMapeditor - new version



    Hi
        where can I find the new version of the RImapEditor
    I only can find the old version....

                Brett.

                [e-mail]


    PS.
        using array indexes is a bad idea if you want speed!

        Beat solution is to use pointers and add the size of an
        array item to the pointer each time.

                hmmm... did anybody ask this question?

                    oh well ..... bye



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:14 1995
Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 00:53:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tom Kruk <[e-mail]>
To: Josh Farley <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Serial



On Sun, 21 May 1995, Josh Farley wrote:

>
> Hmm... the following section of code produces a "serial port not open"
> error on line 2...
>
> a.l=OpenSerial("serial.device",1,19200,128)
> If a<>0 Then SetSerialLens1,8,8,1
>
> Now, shouldn't OpenSerial return 0 when I try to open Unit 1?  It doesn't...
>
> Josh
>
>
>
>


try this...

;---------------------------------begin-----------------------

.openser
If OpenSerial ("serial.device",0,19200,128+32+16+4)=0
   r.b=RTEZRequest("ERROR","Could NOT Open Serial Port!","Damn (QUIT)")
   ser.b=0
   Goto quit
EndIf
SetSerialBuffer 0,16000

;---------------------------------end-------------------------

it works in my program :)
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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:14 1995
Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 00:58:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tom Kruk <[e-mail]>
To: AL MUNTASIR <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Making A simple Star Field ?



On Mon, 22 May 1995, AL MUNTASIR wrote:

>
> Hi everyone,
>
>     I just downloaded the latest Blitz Blanker and Im trully
> impressed. However, I was woundring how would someone go about
> doing something like the starfield module.
>
> I mean, I tried doing a simple starfield for my game intro, and
> although the results are not too bad, they are no where as smooth
> as the starfield that came with the blanker.
> Can someone point me int the right direction ?
>
> TIA
>
> Hesham Amiri
>

well im not sure if you mean 3d starfield or just a simple horizontal
starfield... if you mean the horizontal, there is a cool example of it
on BUM (Blitz User Magazine) #6 ... ask SIMON about getting it!

I guess its prefectly legal for me to send you the code but you
might want to get the whole BUM #6 for its other goodies! Lemmme KNOW!

(PS> BUMs are purchased from ACID representatives ask SIMON who is yours)

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:14 1995
Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 09:26:12 +0100
From: MO Tiffany <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: STANDARD HELP

People keep going on about tutorials/articles about the development of
programs, so maybe we should try and keep some kind of ongoing report on
this Help thing - We could stick it onto the web, and put it into BUMs too.

I think  i may go and make a start on this - I shall for a start make up
something from all the response thats come from my original suggestion, and
we shall see how it goes from there.  Nigel - maybe you could do a similar thing
but on a more code based level - seeing as youre the one whos actually writing
it!  ;}

Mark Tiffany

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:14 1995
Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 08:35:32 -0000
From: Clive Thomas <[e-mail]>
To: Blitz list <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: STANDARD HELP

Hi Patrik,
    You wrote this about Re: STANDARD HELP:
: > > Can we try and put this help code into an actual library, as in a
: > > 'help.library' file?  Anyone know how to do this, and would this be a
: good
:
: [ snip ]
:
: > In case there are those of you out there who haven't played with
: > Amigaguide.library, you can set it up to open it's window on your own
: > screen, as well as load datatypes objects in 3.0 and above... It's really
:
: > pretty nice.
:
: Some of us are using WB 2.x and 1 MB of memory you know... A help library
: smaller (and faster?) than amigaguide could be a good idea.

    In   that   case,   why   not  have  the  'help  code'  detect  if  the
amigaguide.library  exists,  and  if  it  does then use it otherwise use an
amigaguide   _like_  helper??   The  helper  really  only  needs  to  be  a
'text-reader'  of  sorts,  maybe a 'pix-viewer' but I think that's going to
far.


BFN,Clive

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:14 1995
Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 09:57:50 +0100 (BST)
From: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
To: Brett Johansen <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Where can I get RIMapeditor - new version

On Tue, 23 May 1995, Brett Johansen wrote:

>         where can I find the new version of the RImapEditor
>     I only can find the old version....

I'll check when I get time to see if the editor is actually on Aminet -
it should be up there.  If it isn't I'll get it uploaded.



Steve Mc.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:14 1995
Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 21:03:02 +1200 (NZST)
From: Simon <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Serial



On Tue, 23 May 1995, Tom Kruk wrote:

> ;---------------------------------begin-----------------------
>
> .openser
> If OpenSerial ("serial.device",0,19200,128+32+16+4)=0
>    r.b=RTEZRequest("ERROR","Could NOT Open Serial Port!","Damn (QUIT)")
>    ser.b=0
>    Goto quit
> EndIf
> SetSerialBuffer 0,16000

and what else does your program do?




From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:14 1995
Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 21:04:34 +1200 (NZST)
From: Simon <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: STANDARD HELP? (fwd)

Yup,
I vote for html anyday of the week...

Anyone in for an html viewer in Blitz?


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:14 1995
Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 03:43:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Josh Farley <[e-mail]>
To: Simon <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: STANDARD HELP? (fwd)



On Tue, 23 May 1995, Simon wrote:

> I vote for html anyday of the week...

  I have docs on GIF, and the LZW compression format that GIF uses, but I
haven't found any good HTML docs...

> Anyone in for an html viewer in Blitz?

  I've been looking at possibly making an AMosaic-like program, since
AMosaic is rather buggy, slow, and hard to get working... that kind of
coincides with the HTML ideas...

  Any thoughts?

Josh


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:14 1995
Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 13:18:36 +0100
From: MO Tiffany <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: STANDARD HELP? (fwd)

> Yup,
> I vote for html anyday of the week...

I think we are getting a bit bogged down with this help thang.

<excuse the possible lack of spaces - this keyboards a bit dodgy>

I think the help lib should just have a small help text that can appear (ill
wait to see what Nigels got...), and possibly also have a link to an amigaguide
or HTML doc. using bookmarks (anyone know how to use those in amigagguide??).

Otherwise we would be reinventing the car, not jsut the wheel!!!

The markupstuff was really intended for the smallhelp text,so that you could
possibly put in the odd italic or bold char.  Yes -use the samecodes as html,
but only support a few.

Mark Tiffany






From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:14 1995
Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 10:41:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tom Kruk <[e-mail]>
To: Simon <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Serial



On Tue, 23 May 1995, Simon wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, 23 May 1995, Tom Kruk wrote:
>
> > ;---------------------------------begin-----------------------
> >
> > .openser
> > If OpenSerial ("serial.device",0,19200,128+32+16+4)=0
> >    r.b=RTEZRequest("ERROR","Could NOT Open Serial Port!","Damn (QUIT)")
> >    ser.b=0
> >    Goto quit
> > EndIf
> > SetSerialBuffer 0,16000
>
> and what else does your program do?
>
well, actually I just finished a cool little tool that AUTODIALS my
SLIP account. Its fully definable through the tooltypes...
you set everything including unit#,serial,init command,dial prefix,
name,password...... you set strings to look for like "Password:"
when it gets that it will send whatever you set for the password.

ANYWAY, its cool... it dials, redials..until it connects (if you set it
like that) and the logs you in (sends name/passeord) looks for
a string like SLIP/PPP start at port... (or whatever you set) and then
it quits and (if you set it) starts AmiTCP..... shwooo.

I dunno if this interests anyone. It will be ready any day now. Rich
is trying to help me set a CON: (for the CLI startnet to execute)...

if you could send me some code showing how i can open a con for a cli
program, i would deeply appreciate it :)

Tom.
(No time for fancy signature :((( )



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:14 1995
Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 10:41:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tom Kruk <[e-mail]>
To: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
Cc: Brett Johansen <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Where can I get RIMapeditor - new version



On Tue, 23 May 1995, Stephen McNamara wrote:

> On Tue, 23 May 1995, Brett Johansen wrote:
>
> >         where can I find the new version of the RImapEditor
> >     I only can find the old version....
>
> I'll check when I get time to see if the editor is actually on Aminet -
> it should be up there.  If it isn't I'll get it uploaded.
>
>
>
> Steve Mc.
>
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i'D LIKE IT TOO! :)




From: JONNY (BEC) 01232 894383 <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
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hey, tom.. i`m interested in your SLIP account dialer

mail me the source if ya want

cheers, thanks
        Jonny



From suoranta@rupikonnaSun Sep  3 22:30:14 1995
Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 18:55:58 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Esa Suoranta <suoranta@rupikonna>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: General Info???

I'd like to know what is the latest version of Blitz Basic: TED, libs,
BUMS etc.

I'm currently using Blitz Basic 2 1.90, LES debug 1.21, last BUM is 7.

Also is there something coming out soon? How is it with Blitz3 pr BUM 8?
And where can I get latest userlibs? Where's Blitz 3d lib?


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:14 1995
Date: Tue, 23 May 95 19:54:59 CET
From: Philipp Lonke <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: HTML Viewer in Blitz

Hi Simon, you wrote in <[e-mail]> on May 23:

> Yup,
> I vote for html anyday of the week...
>
> Anyone in for an html viewer in Blitz?

Yes, me!! If I only knew more about how to do something like Mosaic,
I'd program it by myself, coz AMosaic is kind of unstable ... But I
don't know much about the TCP/IP or Slip or PPP or whatever ;)

--
Philipp Lonke * [e-mail] * postal adress on demand
"Lehrerkommödie: Die Armut der Lehrer, während die Staaten Unsummen für
die Wehrmacht hinauswerfen. Da sie nur Lehrer für 600 DM sich leisten
können, bleiben die Völker so dumm, daß sie sich Kriege für 60
Milliarden leisten müssen." (Ch. Morgenstern, "Aphorismen")


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:14 1995
Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 13:37:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: "S. Flock" <[e-mail]>
To: Blitz List <[e-mail]>
Subject: What does it take?


 So I spend 6 months waiting for US support to be sorted out so I can
purchase Blitz 2.. And even when it finally is I got the impression that
no-one really cares if the product is sold or not anyways. So I get
Blitz2 used.

 But I'm still not any better off than I was when I was using the demo
because my project needs libs that won't work anything below 1.8.. (I
have 1.7)

 What do I need to do now to get this up to the most current version? And
I TRIED to find out from the person that is supposed to handle US
support. I must be an ass or something, because I don't get any response.

 Steve


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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:15 1995
Date: Tue, 23 May 95 22:13:47 GMT
From: Gregory Caldwell <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Sound Sampling in BB2

Hi Everyone,

I thought I'd drop a line to ask for a bit of help if possible. I am
intending to write a sound sampling/real time effects prog ib BB2.

The problem I have is that I don't know the best way to capture the
samples. Yes I can read the parallel port and extract sample data but
there is no timing involved and I need to be able to apply a variable
sample rate on the capture.

I presume it has to be done through a timer interrupt of some
description but my other attempts at IRQ's other than a vertical blank
IRQ seem to fail dismally. This goes for capturing serial port info
as well (but that's a different story/program).

Any pointers, help, info, sound sampling progam code or someone who can
tell me the answers to everything would be most appreciated.

Cheers for any response.

Greg


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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:15 1995
Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 09:16:53 +0100
From: NIGEL HUGHES <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: STANDARD HELP

In message <[e-mail]>,
    MO Tiffany <[e-mail]>
writes:
> People keep going on about tutorials/articles about the development of
> programs, so maybe we should try and keep some kind of ongoing report on
> this Help thing - We could stick it onto the web, and put it into BUMs too.

I agree.

> I think  i may go and make a start on this - I shall for a start make up
> something from all the response thats come from my original suggestion, and
> we shall see how it goes from there.  Nigel - maybe you could do a similar th
> ing
> but on a more code based level - seeing as youre the one whos actually writin
> g
> it!  ;}

Sure I shall have a kind of design/code section if you will work with the
spec, set up links etc and we should be sorted.


I think the main thing is people grab ShapeZ from my web page or ask me
to email it so they can SEE what I have done. Most peoples suggestions
are already in! Once we have all seen it we can discuss where to go now.

Amiga Guide is tempting, more so than html in my opinion, but is slow
on older machnines.

Anyhow to all those people who have requested shapes by email, it is on
the way. Did I send you one Mark?

Nigel Hughes

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:15 1995
Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 10:34:54 +0100
From: MO Tiffany <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Sound Sampling in BB2

> I presume it has to be done through a timer interrupt of some
> description but my other attempts at IRQ's other than a vertical blank
> IRQ seem to fail dismally. This goes for capturing serial port info
> as well (but that's a different story/program).
>
> Any pointers, help, info, sound sampling progam code or someone who can
> tell me the answers to everything would be most appreciated.

Well, a suggestion sometime ago for higher timing rates is actually already in
the FAQ (still only in HTML on my web page (see the sig)).

This was to use the Vpos command to get the vcertical position of the beam,
which gives you 1/256 (or 1/200 i NTSC) of a vertical blank.

Dont know if this is fast enough...

Mark

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:15 1995
Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 15:48:56 +0300
From: "M.Carter" <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: bum8


A long, long time ago, I heard from this list that BUM8 would
soon be ready. Well, a long, long time later, I haven't received it.
I have been unsubscribed to this list for some time, so I wonder
if anyone can tell me if BUM8 has been sent out, or what?

Mark Carter.
In England (well, Scotland, actually, but it's the same thing).


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:15 1995
Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 14:24:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Josh Farley <[e-mail]>
To: Patrik R}dman MNF94 <[e-mail]>
Cc: Blitz Basic Mailing List <[e-mail]>,
    Patrik R}dman MNF94 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Heir to Jurgen Valks?



On Wed, 24 May 1995, Patrik R}dman MNF94 wrote:

> Since Jurgen Valks is gone now, :'( would someone else consider handling the
> Blitz Project Report list?

  I'll do it, if no one else wants it...

Josh Farley     Netmail: 1:119/88     E-Mail: [e-mail]
  Now Available: "TeleTerm" Terminal program Version 2.0
      FTP as comm/term/teleterm20.lha
  Also Available: "Ooze" ECS/AGA Version 2...
      FTP as game/think/oozeaga2u.lha or game/think/oozeecs2u.lha
  or at 1:119/88 or 916-893-8079



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:15 1995
Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 23:06:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Josh Farley <[e-mail]>
To: Tom Kruk <[e-mail]>
Cc: Simon's BLITZ-LIST <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: The CONing game...



On Thu, 25 May 1995, Tom Kruk wrote:

> I am not all too familiar with fancy dos calls (not many anyway)
> and my dialer needs to open a CON window..

  Are you talking about opening up a console?  If so, you need to use a
completely different setup... I can show you how, if that's what you're
looking to do... Opening a shell is different, and I've never had to do
that, so others would be better able to help you there...

Josh Farley     Netmail: 1:119/88     E-Mail: [e-mail]
  Now Available: "TeleTerm" Terminal program Version 2.0
      FTP as comm/term/teleterm20.lha
  Also Available: "Ooze" ECS/AGA Version 2...
      FTP as game/think/oozeaga2u.lha or game/think/oozeecs2u.lha
  or at 1:119/88 or 916-893-8079



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:15 1995
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 00:03:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tom Kruk <[e-mail]>
To: Simon's BLITZ-LIST <[e-mail]>
Subject: The CONing game...


"Who know all there is to know about the CONing game???"

I am not all too familiar with fancy dos calls (not many anyway)
and my dialer needs to open a CON window..

The problem is when i try to execute_ a CLI program like AmiTCP's
startnet... (or dir :) )... Do you know what I mean???

Would someone be so kind as to send me an example... I have
something, but it doesn't work.. anyone know why???

;----- this doesnt work right ----

a$="CON:OUTPUT"
filename$="c:dir"
fh.l=Open_(&a$,#MODE_READWRITE)
If fh
  a$=filename$
  Execute_ &a$,fh,fh
EndIf
Close_ fh

end

;---------------------------------

The #MODE_READWRITE comes from my resident file.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:15 1995
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 09:49:42 +0100
From: MO Tiffany <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Heir to Jurgen Valks?

Josh wrote:

> On Wed, 24 May 1995, Patrik R}dman MNF94 wrote:
>
> > Since Jurgen Valks is gone now, :'( would someone else consider handling the
> > Blitz Project Report list?
>
>   I'll do it, if no one else wants it...

I would have offered to do it (seeing as its on my web page), but I am Uni
student, so I dont have access to the net all year (as some of you may have
noticed!).

If you could handle it Josh, could you please forward any updates you get to
me so i can update my page.

If people want some more details on my web page, then I can handle some longer
text files (if you write `em, Ill spellcheck/edit them).  I cant really let
everyone have piccies - it would fill up my disk quota pretty quick i expect -
so what i suggest is that other people write their _OWN_ web pages with details,
and then i can link into them directly.  If you want details on how to write
html web pages, contact your sysop/webmaster, and also read through the guide
to writing html - There is a link for that on the BPR section of my website.

My details are...
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NAME    : SgtBilko (Mark Tiffany)
EMAIL   : [e-mail] OR [e-mail]
URL     : http://sun1.bham.ac.uk/cca93057

STATUS  : Due to a dead amiga for the past 8 weeks, progress has halted.

PROJECT : Virtual Worlds
STATUS  : As of 1/4/95, V1.019 now available
          It all works, but more _WILL_ be added.
DESCRIP.: Adventure Creation System, mainly for text adventures with
          still graphics, support for Monkey Island style adventures
          to be implemented once main features are complete.
AVAIL.  : dev/misc/VirtualWorlds.lha on aminet

PROJECT : Virtual Software Include Libraries
STATUS  : 17/10/94 ToolTypes,ASL,TextEntry supported.  Constantly(ish)
          updated.
DESCRIP.: A few include files that give some nice features for your progs.
AVAIL.  : dev/basic/VS-Includes.lha on aminet

PROJECT : SABOTEUR
STATUS  : Planning stages
DESCRIP.: 'Simple' HiredGuns/Captive style game.
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Cheers.

Mark Tiffany

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:15 1995
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 03:20:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Josh Farley <[e-mail]>
To: MO Tiffany <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Heir to Jurgen Valks?


  Well, unless someone else is really itching to do the Blitz.guide file,
I geuss I will... Heck, it's not that hard, and alot of the work is
already done...

  The first thing I will do is separate the guide into a bunch of smaller
files, to make things easier, and loading faster...

  The last version of the guide I have is version 1.3... is there a newer
version to start from?

  Lastly, if anyone out there knows of a blitzlib not in the current
guide, could you send me the docs for it, or at least the location to get
it from?

Josh Farley     Netmail: 1:119/88     E-Mail: [e-mail]
  Now Available: "TeleTerm" Terminal program Version 2.0
      FTP as comm/term/teleterm20.lha
  Also Available: "Ooze" ECS/AGA Version 2...
      FTP as game/think/oozeaga2u.lha or game/think/oozeecs2u.lha
  or at 1:119/88 or 916-893-8079



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:15 1995
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 13:20:48 +0100
From: MO Tiffany <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Heir to Jurgen Valks?


Josh Wrote:

> On Thu, 25 May 1995, MO Tiffany wrote:
>
>> so what i suggest is that other people write their _OWN_ web pages
>> and then i can link into them directly.  If you want details on how to write
>> html web pages, contact your sysop/webmaster, and also read through the guide
>> to writing html - There is a link for that on the BPR section of my website.
>
>   I've never written a web page (I just got AmiTCP and Amosaic to run
> without crashing)... how do I set one up?  I don't mean writing the html
> file, I can do that...

OK.  You can only have a web page (basically) if your web address (URL) is
online all the time.  There need to be programs running that handle the
accessing of your files, and this is normally handled by someone normally
called the WebMaster.  If you are on a Uni account, then you can probably
set yourself up, otherwise it will be harder - i really dont know what you
would need to do (anyone else know??)

Writing the pages once you have been setup on your system is 'fairly'
easy.  You use a markup language called HTML (theres a guide to it linked
from my web page), which is 'similar' to amigaguide stuff.  Remember that
in mosaic/netscape there is an option to view the actual html source for
what you are looking at - this is one of the best ways to find out what you
can achieve.

This is an OFFER coming up.....

If anyone CANNOT set up a web page on their own site, then I can provide
storage for it.  If anyone wants to do this, then it is _YOUR_ responsibility
to update it.  All I will do is put it into my disk area and link it into my
webpage.  You send me new/updated files as and when you want.
THIS IS NOT AN OFFER FOR _ANY_ WEB PAGE.  ONLY BLITZ STUFF PLEASE!!!!

Thank you.

Mark Tiffany

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:15 1995
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 13:59:16 +0100
From: NIGEL HUGHES <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Launching Programs


Dear All,
    Am I current in assuming that I can launch other programs by
doing...


    p$="Myprog"
    f$="NIL:"
    Execute_ (&p$,&f$)`

    And if so, why does it not work?


    Thanks for any help you can offer...

    Nigel Hughes

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:15 1995
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 14:11:57 +0100
From: muckleys <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Skidmarks subscription anybody??

Hello,

right first up I have had a really weird experiance...

As I related to the blitz list months ago I sent off my registration details
for Blitz Basic 2 and heard bugger all off anybody which was a shame as I
had no details of how to subscribe to the BUM's with BB2 and thus thought
that I would get that information after I sent away my reg. form.

To cut a long (and ultimately boring) story short I never heard anything
until yesterday that is when I recieved a letter saying "that as I am a
registered user of Skidmarks would I like to upgrade for a tenner?".  Now
first things first I have never even played Skidmarks and definately don't
own it and to be perfectly honest would rather get a version of ABC when it
comes out and a chance to subscribe to the BUM's.

If anybody can help me then please do

and Christ I REALLY hope this isn't a surreal joke of acids..:)

Stuart  [e-mail]

PS. Does anybody want to swap a skidmarks reg. for a blitz reg and the
chance to get some BUM's??

PPS. Is it worth having Super Skidmarks (or whatever its called) for a
tenner?? Or is it a piece of crap ;) (note: don't get angry this IS A JOKE!)


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:15 1995
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 09:52:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tom Kruk <[e-mail]>
To: Josh Farley <[e-mail]>
Cc: Simon's BLITZ-LIST <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: The CONing game...



On Wed, 24 May 1995, Josh Farley wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, 25 May 1995, Tom Kruk wrote:
>
> > I am not all too familiar with fancy dos calls (not many anyway)
> > and my dialer needs to open a CON window..
>
>   Are you talking about opening up a console?  If so, you need to use a
> completely different setup... I can show you how, if that's what you're
> looking to do... Opening a shell is different, and I've never had to do
> that, so others would be better able to help you there...
>
> Josh Farley     Netmail: 1:119/88     E-Mail: [e-mail]
>   Now Available: "TeleTerm" Terminal program Version 2.0
>       FTP as comm/term/teleterm20.lha
>   Also Available: "Ooze" ECS/AGA Version 2...
>       FTP as game/think/oozeaga2u.lha or game/think/oozeecs2u.lha
>   or at 1:119/88 or 916-893-8079
>
>
>
>
   YEAH.. I want to open a CONsole for a program that I am executing.
   You know how some things need a CON output window. Like in OPUS
   or Tools Daemon (you set WB or CLI) and if its CLI it opens a CONsole
   output for that program.

   You see I am trying to execute a program startnet (AmiTCP) and it needs
   an output window!

   Thanx

   Tom.



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:15 1995
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 09:57:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tom Kruk <[e-mail]>
To: NIGEL HUGHES <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Launching Programs



On Thu, 25 May 1995, NIGEL HUGHES wrote:

>
> Dear All,
>     Am I current in assuming that I can launch other programs by
> doing...
>
>
>     p$="Myprog"
>     f$="NIL:"
>     Execute_ (&p$,&f$)`
>
>     And if so, why does it not work?
>
>
>     Thanks for any help you can offer...
>
>     Nigel Hughes
>
Actually on most programs this works:

       p$="Myprog"
       Execute_ &Myprog,0,0
       end

(Hope This Helps A Bit !)

Tom.



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:15 1995
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 10:03:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tom Kruk <[e-mail]>
To: NIGEL HUGHES <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Launching Programs



On Thu, 25 May 1995, NIGEL HUGHES wrote:

>
> Dear All,
>     Am I current in assuming that I can launch other programs by
> doing...
>
>
>     p$="Myprog"
>     f$="NIL:"
>     Execute_ (&p$,&f$)`
>
>     And if so, why does it not work?
>
>
Nigel, Its me again.

I did however get this to work (but its slower???)

 p$="Myprog
 f$="NIL:"
 Execute_ &p$,&f$,0
 end

 This has an error because its wrong sytext. you dont need the () and `
 and you need an extra parameter (0) ?
 |
 |
Execute_ (&p$,&f$)`

See YA!



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:15 1995
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 15:11:36 +0100 (BST)
From: Big Will Riker <[e-mail]>
To: NIGEL HUGHES <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Launching Programs

On Thu, 25 May 1995, NIGEL HUGHES wrote:

>
> Dear All,
>     Am I current in assuming that I can launch other programs by
> doing...

I suspect you are a raisin in assuming that. :) (I know its currant
not current)

>
>
>     p$="Myprog"
>     f$="NIL:"
>     Execute_ (&p$,&f$)`
>
>     And if so, why does it not work?

Err...execute takes 3 args

Execute_ p$,<inputfilehandle>,<outputfilehandle>

so it would be Execute_ p$,0,0 (for NIL output)

Steve.
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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:15 1995
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 16:46:08 +0100 (BST)
From: Andy Pelton <[e-mail]>
To: Blitz-List <[e-mail]>
Subject: Am I moaning or not?

When is BUM8 going to be realsed?

With the linked lists why not make them so you dont have specify a size
parameter like : DIM LIST mylist (), So the every time you add an item
the list grows until the the program runs out of memory as this is the
whole point of linked lists. The only boundary of the size of the list is
memory.

With some of the commands why not make sure the are totally bug free
before releasing them and causing everyone some greif, as when you
complie and rum some programs they like crash as the command is a bit
buggy on that machine Richard Elmores Space$ command does not like the
500+.

Also why not get the AGA dual playfield working (properly) so you dont have
play with BLPCON or something like that first. and also why not get the
width of initcoplist working as a parameter instead of playing with
display controls.

Well thats that.

Also is ABC going to really be able to Cross-compile to different machines.


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:15 1995
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 20:24:21 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Patrik R}dman MNF94 <[e-mail]>
To: Blitz Basic Mailing List <[e-mail]>
Subject: The FTP sites.

Please, when you upload to x2ftp.oulu.fi or ftp.ee.port.ac.uk, upload to
the other one also! I just ftp:d "pic.lha" from the uk site, and it was
sloooooo-oooooo-oooooo-ooooo-oooower than a snail in syrup. :)
x2ftp is fast me for me though.

Does anyone know who you should contact for creating new aminet directories?
If we had a dev/blitz directory on aminet we wouldn't need these ftp sites.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:15 1995
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 11:57:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Josh Farley <[e-mail]>
To: Tom Kruk <[e-mail]>
Cc: Simon's BLITZ-LIST <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: The CONing game...



On Thu, 25 May 1995, Tom Kruk wrote:

> > > I am not all too familiar with fancy dos calls (not many anyway)
> > > and my dialer needs to open a CON window..
> >
> >   Are you talking about opening up a console?  If so, you need to use a
> > completely different setup... I can show you how, if that's what you're
> >
>    YEAH.. I want to open a CONsole for a program that I am executing.
>    You know how some things need a CON output window. Like in OPUS
>    or Tools Daemon (you set WB or CLI) and if its CLI it opens a CONsole
>    output for that program.
>
>    You see I am trying to execute a program startnet (AmiTCP) and it needs
>    an output window!

  I'm not sure opening a console is enough in this instance... you need
to be able to direct the output...

  I wonder if executing IconX with startnet as an argument would do the
job...

  Here's my console code, anyway...

  If *conmp=0 Then *conmp=CreateMsgPort_
 If *conmp.MsgPort
  If *conio.IOStdReq=0 Then *conio=CreateIORequest_(*conmp, SizeOf .IOStdReq)
   If *conio
    *conio\io_Data=*mw0.Window
    *conio\io_Length=SizeOf .Window
    cd=OpenDevice_("console.device",0,*conio,0)
    *conu.ConUnit=*conio\io_Unit
   EndIf
  EndIf
 EndIf


*mw0 must be a pointer to a window.

Hope this helps...

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> > With some of the commands why not make sure the are totally bug free
> > before releasing them and causing everyone some greif, as when you
> > complie and rum some programs they like crash as the command is a bit
> > buggy on that machine Richard Elmores Space$ command does not like the
> > 500+.
>
>     1) While I agree that every effort should be made to ensure that
>     commands are pretty bug free, 100% error free? This is impossible.
>     You cannot prove any piece of software to be bug free. Read
>     up on Halting theory to find out why.
>
>     2)500+ Spaces? Why?
>

No - the Space$ command throws a wobbly on pre wb2.1 (i think).  It certainly
doesnt work on 1.3 machines.  Its a bug i kinda menat to report, but sorta
got forgotten (i discovered the problem whilst on one of my 'holidays' from
uni).

Mark Tiffany

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:15 1995
Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 08:42:35 +0100
From: David Shaw <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Launching Programs

>
>Dear All,
>    Am I current in assuming that I can launch other programs by
>doing...
>
>
>    p$="Myprog"
>    f$="NIL:"
>    Execute_ (&p$,&f$)`
>
>    And if so, why does it not work?
>
>
>    Thanks for any help you can offer...
>

I used this in an assembler program a few years ago, if I remember correctly
you will have to supply an input & output channel to the cli as well as the
actual program path & name.

If you can't get it to work let me know and I'll dig out the old source and
try it in Blitz.

Dave

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:15 1995
Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 08:53:39 +0100
From: David Shaw <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: The FTP sites.

>Please, when you upload to x2ftp.oulu.fi or ftp.ee.port.ac.uk, upload to
>the other one also! I just ftp:d "pic.lha" from the uk site, and it was
>sloooooo-oooooo-oooooo-ooooo-oooower than a snail in syrup. :)
>x2ftp is fast me for me though.
>
>Does anyone know who you should contact for creating new aminet directories?
>If we had a dev/blitz directory on aminet we wouldn't need these ftp sites.

Try contacting the administator of the site a wuarchive, as all the other
sites are just mirrors of this site.

Try mailing him at:- [e-mail]

Dave

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:15 1995
Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 10:33:45 +0100
From: NIGEL HUGHES <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Am I moaning or not?

In message <Pine.ULT.3.91.950525163240.20771C-100000@rowan>,
    Andy Pelton <[e-mail]> writes:
> When is BUM8 going to be realsed?

Soooooome where OOOOoover the rainbow...

> With the linked lists why not make them so you dont have specify a size
> parameter like : DIM LIST mylist (), So the every time you add an item
> the list grows until the the program runs out of memory as this is the
> whole point of linked lists. The only boundary of the size of the list is
> memory.

Because the lists are designed for speed. Use RILinkedList libs for
a more conventional approach.

> With some of the commands why not make sure the are totally bug free
> before releasing them and causing everyone some greif, as when you
> complie and rum some programs they like crash as the command is a bit
> buggy on that machine Richard Elmores Space$ command does not like the
> 500+.

    1) While I agree that every effort should be made to ensure that
    commands are pretty bug free, 100% error free? This is impossible.
    You cannot prove any piece of software to be bug free. Read
    up on Halting theory to find out why.

    2)500+ Spaces? Why?

> Also why not get the AGA dual playfield working (properly) so you dont have
> play with BLPCON or something like that first. and also why not get the
> width of initcoplist working as a parameter instead of playing with
> display controls.

    Because it takes time? We all agree it should be done, but it is
not that hard to set it up yourself for now. Should be done though.

> Well thats that.

Right-ho.

> Also is ABC going to really be able to Cross-compile to different machines.

Well to the Jaguar maybe anyhow. I would like a PC version of Blitz mind.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:15 1995
Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 10:36:48 +0100
From: NIGEL HUGHES <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Launching Programs

In message <[e-mail]>,
    [e-mail] (David Shaw) writes:
> I used this in an assembler program a few years ago, if I remember correctly
> you will have to supply an input & output channel to the cli as well as the
> actual program path & name.
>
> If you can't get it to work let me know and I'll dig out the old source and
> try it in Blitz.
>
> Dave
>

Thanks to all who helped it works fine with...

NoCli
p$="run DpaintIV:Dpaint"
Execute_ &p$,0,0
End

The run allows Blitz program execution to continue without stopping
until the launched process has finished.


Nigel Hughes

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:15 1995
Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 11:07:25 +0100
From: MO Tiffany <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: The FTP sites.

> >Please, when you upload to x2ftp.oulu.fi or ftp.ee.port.ac.uk, upload to
> >the other one also! I just ftp:d "pic.lha" from the uk site, and it was
> >sloooooo-oooooo-oooooo-ooooo-oooower than a snail in syrup. :)
> >x2ftp is fast me for me though.
> >
> >Does anyone know who you should contact for creating new aminet directories?
> >If we had a dev/blitz directory on aminet we wouldn't need these ftp sites.
>
> Try contacting the administator of the site a wuarchive, as all the other
> sites are just mirrors of this site.
>
> Try mailing him at:- [e-mail]
>

We already tried this some tuime ago (may be worth trying again).  They
cahnged it to dev/amos and dev/basic (i think).

Mark Tiffany

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:15 1995
Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 11:25:39 +0100
From: MO Tiffany <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Am I moaning or not?



> > With some of the commands why not make sure the are totally bug free
> > before releasing them and causing everyone some greif, as when you
> > complie and rum some programs they like crash as the command is a bit
> > buggy on that machine Richard Elmores Space$ command does not like the
> > 500+.
>
>     1) While I agree that every effort should be made to ensure that
>     commands are pretty bug free, 100% error free? This is impossible.
>     You cannot prove any piece of software to be bug free. Read
>     up on Halting theory to find out why.
>
>     2)500+ Spaces? Why?
>

No - the Space$ command throws a wobbly on pre wb2.1 (i think).  It certainly
doesnt work on 1.3 machines.  Its a bug i kinda menat to report, but sorta
got forgotten (i discovered the problem whilst on one of my 'holidays' from
uni).

Mark Tiffany

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:15 1995
Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 14:46:17 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Patrik R}dman MNF94 <[e-mail]>
To: Blitz Basic Mailing List <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Am I moaning or not?

NIGEL HUGHES wrote:
>
>     Andy Pelton <[e-mail]> writes:

[ snip ]

> > Richard Elmores Space$ command does not like the
> > 500+.

[ snip ]

>     2)500+ Spaces? Why?

He's talking about the Amiga 500plus. :) Fine computer, got one myself.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:15 1995
Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 14:58:37 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Mikko Makela <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: The FTP sites. (fwd)

Forwarded message:

> Does anyone know who you should contact for creating new aminet directories?
> If we had a dev/blitz directory on aminet we wouldn't need these ftp sites.
>

We tried that months ago - and they changed it so, that one
directory was for AMOS & all other Basic things, including Blitz.
After that they have furthermore reduced the number of directories
in aminet, so I don't think we'll have a chance...

-Mikko


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:15 1995
Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 13:08:27 +0100 (BST)
From: Stephen McNamara <[e-mail]>
To: Blitzlist <[e-mail]>
Subject: Offering...

I lost some mail and so don't know who requested the following files, but
they're available for either email (from me) or ftp (ftp.ee...).  If
anyone wants to put them on x2ftp then go ahead.

files:

    LESMapEditorV2.lha - latest release.  Shareware

    GTMenusLib.lha     - Gadtools menu library for blitz


Later,
Steve Mc.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:15 1995
Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 06:59:30 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Richard T. Elmore" <[e-mail]>
To: NIGEL HUGHES <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Launching Programs

On Thu, 25 May 1995, NIGEL HUGHES wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>     Am I current in assuming that I can launch other programs by
> doing...
>
>

>     p$="Myprog"
>     f$="NIL:"
>     Execute_ (&p$,&f$)`

You're on the right track, but that's not quite the right way to go with
it...  The parameters following the string to execute are DOS filehandles
(there are two, an input and an output.)  If you leave these null, your
program will use your own CLI for input and output if your program is run
from CLI, or NIL: if run from Workbench.  Try this:

p$="Myprog"
Execute_ &p$,0,0


Or, if you want it to ALWAYS use NIL: for input and output, try this:

nil$="NIL:"
*fh=Open_(&nil$,1004)
p$="Myprog"
Execute &p$,fh,fh
Close_ fh


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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:15 1995
Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 07:10:21 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Richard T. Elmore" <[e-mail]>
To: MO Tiffany <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Am I moaning or not?

On Fri, 26 May 1995, MO Tiffany wrote:

> No - the Space$ command throws a wobbly on pre wb2.1 (i think).  It certainly
> doesnt work on 1.3 machines.  Its a bug i kinda menat to report, but sorta
> got forgotten (i discovered the problem whilst on one of my 'holidays' from
> uni).

Though it seems like eons since I've touched the source for that library,
I'll look into it-- Of course I normally no longer support 1.3 machines,
in the case of a simple function like SPACE$ (which requires NO
libraries) it should work... I think the problem may lie with the way the
strings library was changed circa BUM5...

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:15 1995
Date: Sat, 27 May 95 10:44:18 GMT
From: Ronald Janz <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]-blitz-list
Subject: Re: Am I moaning or not?


R)> > No - the Space$ command throws a wobbly on pre wb2.1 (i think).  It certainly
R)> > doesnt work on 1.3 machines.  Its a bug i kinda menat to report, but sorta
R)> > got forgotten (i discovered the problem whilst on one of my 'holidays' from
R)> > uni).
R)>
R)> Though it seems like eons since I've touched the source for that library,
R)> I'll look into it-- Of course I normally no longer support 1.3 machines,
R)> in the case of a simple function like SPACE$ (which requires NO
R)> libraries) it should work... I think the problem may lie with the way the
R)> strings library was changed circa BUM5...

I have a G-Force 030 Board. When I compile a source with the
SPACE$-command, the program doesn't work on a 68000-Amiga (wb2.1 or 3.1).
I must compile without the G-Force, then it works.


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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:15 1995
Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 16:40:28 +0100 (BST)
From: Andy Pelton <[e-mail]>
To: Blitz-List <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ftp sites


Are The Ftp sites Free or not also what is the name of the Blitz Newsgroup.

    Cheers.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:15 1995
Date: Sat, 27 May 95 11:01:42 EST
From: Jeffrey Morgan <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: usa support


I recently asked about usa support, but got no response.
Is there a number in the states where I could call
about upgrading? I have the opportunity to purchase
an older version of BB and would like to see about
upgrading it.





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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:16 1995
Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 19:44:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Josh Farley <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: BlitzGuide Web Page


Hey all,

    I have set up a Web page that includes TeleTerm, Ooze, and the
BlitzGuide...

    It's at http://www.pinsight.com/~josh

Jet me know what you think...

Josh Farley                                 E-Mail: [e-mail]
  Now Available: "TeleTerm" Terminal program Version 2.0
      FTP as comm/term/teleterm20.lha
  Also Available: "Ooze" ECS/AGA Version 2...
      FTP as game/think/oozeaga2u.lha or game/think/oozeecs2u.lha
TeleTerm, Ooze and BlitzGuide Web Page: http://www.pinsight.com/~josh



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:16 1995
Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 20:44:24 -47900
From: The Crow <[e-mail]>
To: Stephane Proulx <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Address



On Sun, 28 May 1995, Stephane Proulx wrote:

> Hi there.
>
> It's me again, Nelson Santos.  Have you verified that address for me?  Is:
>
> Blitz Support
> 1121 Alrita Ct. #4
> Madison, WI 53713
>
  No!. Definately do not sent to this address.  You won't get any reply.

> where I can send my check to get my subscription for BLITZ USER
> MAGAZINES?  If not, please supply me with the correct address.
>

  To subscribe to BUMS, I suggest contacting Richard T. Elmore.  He
  is Blitz Support for all of North America.  E-mail him at

  [e-mail]  or send to

     Richard T. Elmore
     126 State St. #20
     Spearfish, SD 57783

     Phone: [phone]

> Also, please tell me what has happenned since the release of BUM #5.
> Acid promised new documentation and a few other things.  Have they
> followed up on that promise?  What new/important features have they added
> to BLITZ 2 since then?  Keep me posted...
>
  BUM 6-7 are out.  As for the features, I don't know.  I only just
  recently sent Richard a request for these BUMS.


  Sincerely


  Tom Stone


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:16 1995
Date: Mon, 29 May 95 22:28:03 CET
From: Philipp Lonke <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Brining ANSI to a window

Hello,

 I recently painted a ANSI-Picture which I wanted to show in a window.
So I got several probs at once:

  1. When I compile the ANSI-Pic with Include-Util and then reload it
     via a$=IncText$(?ansipic), then the string a$ is empty. Why??

  2. How to print out ANSI in a intuition-window? Is it possible?

  3. Is it possible to open a CON: window by the program on an own
     screen and to get outputs (this ansi pic) and inputs from there?
     The console-library which came with BUM 7 (afair) is still very
     buggy - it crashes my machine.

can somebody help me?

oh, btw, I have a 4th problem

  4. What is with BUM 8 going on? In other networks they're even
     talking that BlitzBasic *is* dead...

--
Philipp Lonke * [e-mail] * postal adress on demand
"Lehrerkommödie: Die Armut der Lehrer, während die Staaten Unsummen für
die Wehrmacht hinauswerfen. Da sie nur Lehrer für 600 DM sich leisten
können, bleiben die Völker so dumm, daß sie sich Kriege für 60
Milliarden leisten müssen." (Ch. Morgenstern, "Aphorismen")


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:16 1995
Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 12:39:53 +0300
From: "M.Carter" <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Arexx in Blitz Basic

AREXX IN BLITZ BASIC
====================

Has anyone managed to get ARexx to work in Blitz Basic? On
an old BUM disk (you could argue that ALL the disks are old -
it's been such a long time since anyone received the last
one), there were a set of ARexx examples - bpaint.bb,
roger2.rexx, etc. ...

I cannot get them to work. They compile and run, but none of
the commands added works. The .rexx scripts do not return.

I can affirm that the following has been done :
   - REXXMAST process activated
   - BPAINT program executed before rexx script activated.

I have a book called 'Arexx: Your Amiga's Built-in Turbocharger'.
They give C code of how to implement an Arexx port. The sequence
of processing looks nothing like that given in the Blitz Programs.
I have a feeling that that might be the problem.

The BB2 function GetRexxCommand() cpaitalises the command argument.
How do I arrange it so that it doesn't do that? Also, why is it that
rm_Args(1) isn't a string? How do I get a string from it - and will
it preserve the case of the command argument?


POINTERS
========

Blitz Basic 2 has a way of dealing with pointers which seems
different from C.

Type in the following program :
   NEWTYPE.mytype
      a.l
      *letters.s
   End NEWTYPE

   DEFTYPE.mytype struct, *ptr

   *ptr=&struct  ;see comment below

   struct\letters="how now brown cow"
   NPrint struct\letters
   *ptr\letters="and silly sow"
   NPrint struct\letters

   MouseWait
   End

Output is :
   how now brown cow
   and silly sow

By rights, the line *ptr=&struct is wrong. ptr is a pointer
t0 mytype, so it really ought to be
   ptr=&struct   (without the asterix)

BB2 only seems to give one type of dereferencing. Hmm... it
works, but C seems to have a uniformity of meaning that BB2
doesn't. Maybe someone could give us a tutorial on the BUM to
explain, conceptually, how BB2 interprets pointers.


-------------------------------------
To   : [e-mail]
>From : [e-mail] (Mark Carter)
Date : 28 May 1995
File : arexx.bb



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:16 1995
Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 10:09:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tom Kruk <[e-mail]>
To: Josh Farley <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BlitzGuide Web Page



On Sat, 27 May 1995, Josh Farley wrote:

>
> Hey all,
>
>     I have set up a Web page that includes TeleTerm, Ooze, and the
> BlitzGuide...
>
>     It's at http://www.pinsight.com/~josh
>
> Jet me know what you think...
>
> Josh Farley                                 E-Mail: [e-mail]
>   Now Available: "TeleTerm" Terminal program Version 2.0
>       FTP as comm/term/teleterm20.lha
>   Also Available: "Ooze" ECS/AGA Version 2...
>       FTP as game/think/oozeaga2u.lha or game/think/oozeecs2u.lha
> TeleTerm, Ooze and BlitzGuide Web Page: http://www.pinsight.com/~josh
>
>
What did you use to make the WEB page ??? Is it on an Amiga?



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:16 1995
Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 11:56:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Josh Farley <[e-mail]>
To: Tom Kruk <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BlitzGuide Web Page



On Tue, 30 May 1995, Tom Kruk wrote:

> >     I have set up a Web page that includes TeleTerm, Ooze, and the
> > BlitzGuide...
> >
> >     It's at http://www.pinsight.com/~josh
> >
> What did you use to make the WEB page ??? Is it on an Amiga?

  Just CygnusEd... I have the HTML docs, and after looking at them, it
was pretty easy...

Josh Farley                                 E-Mail: [e-mail]
  Now Available: "TeleTerm" Terminal program Version 2.0
      FTP as comm/term/teleterm20.lha
  Also Available: "Ooze" ECS/AGA Version 2...
      FTP as game/think/oozeaga2u.lha or game/think/oozeecs2u.lha
TeleTerm, Ooze and BlitzGuide Web Page: http://www.pinsight.com/~josh



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:16 1995
Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 10:33:34 +0000 (GMT)
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Dual playfields


  Hello Blitz people,

     Does anyone know if it's possible to make a dual playfield (or whatever
  they're called - with a bitmap in the background and foreground) which has
  two 4-bitplane bitmaps?  I've got it working with two 3-bitplane bitmaps,
  but when I change to 4 the screen just goes blank and none of the bitmaps
  are displayed.

  I'm using the Slice command (which may be redundant now but I don't know
  how to use the new DisplayLib thing).


  Thanks,


  Matthew.

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From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:16 1995
Date: Wed, 31 May 95 10:55:05 GMT
From: paul_burford <@metnet.demon.co.uk:[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Help

<Not sure if this got through before, so here it is again.>

Ive just put a nice ListView gadget into my current program, with " Add "
"Delete" buttons positioned underneath.

Everthing went well until i came to put in the 'Delete' code.  I realised
that when you clicked on a ListView gadget the item under the mouse is
highlight then un-highlighted when you press and release the mouse button.

Is it possible for the item to remain highlighted until the user selects
another item or clicks again?  This means you can see exactly what item you
are deleting.








From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:16 1995
Date: Wed, 31 May 95 10:56:06 GMT
From:  <@post.demon.co.uk,@metnet.demon.co.uk:[e-mail]>

Im writing a VERY small program with the main part doing the following,
From: [e-mail]@metnet.demon.co.uk (paul_burford)
To: [e-mail]
Subject: OS

 open a new file,
 write a single ascii character to it
 close it

(complex stuff eh?  :-)

However this compiles to over 6k :-(
So i wish to do the above useing OS commands, of which i have no other
documentation than the BB2 manual.

Its the Open_'s command accessMode parameter that im stuck with.  I assume
accessMode is either read or write, but is it expecting a number, string
or what?

Thanx for any help.

~Paul~


From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:16 1995
Date: Wed, 31 May 95 14:50:52 +0200
From: Studer Andreas 3132 <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: C=

Hello,

> does anybody know the current state of Commodore i.e.. is the 060

Commodore is selled to Escom. A 060-Amiga would be a surprise but it
is not impossible. Nothing is impossible at the moment. :-)
The first date for continuing the Amiga-line is September, but this is
neither sure nor definitive. They will continue the C64, A1200, A4000
(possibly with new case). The C64 is planned for the East- and China-
market. I'm not sure, if the A600 will also continue, but i have heard
something like that...

> amiga going to be made, what about the RISC based amiga`s ?

Nobody knows if it will be a HP-PA or PowerPC-based Amiga. Also not
Escom! They rethink yet, which processor is the better solution for the
future. Any other report of "definitive PowerPC-based" is a rumour.
But a RISC-based Amiga will come...

> is there still a future for Commodore...

Possibly not for Commodore Amiga, but the Amiga from Amiga
Technologies GmbH has a future. :-)

> any info at all would be help, our a pointer in the right dirwction
> to find this info

Well, look out in the comp.sys.amiga.advocacy and -misc newsgroups for
messages from Dr. P. Kittel. He is the new head of Engineering for the
Amiga.

bye

Andrew



From [e-mail] Sep  3 22:30:16 1995
Date: Wed, 31 May 95 19:05:48 GMT
From: Brian Skreeg <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: C=

Hiho Studer,

> Hello,
>
> > does anybody know the current state of Commodore i.e.. is the 060
>
> Commodore is selled to Escom. A 060-Amiga would be a surprise but it
> is not impossible. Nothing is impossible at the moment. :-)
> The first date for continuing the Amiga-line is September, but this is
> neither sure nor definitive. They will continue the C64, A1200, A4000
> (possibly with new case). The C64 is planned for the East- and China-
> market. I'm not sure, if the A600 will also continue, but i have heard
> something like that...

At the ESCOM press conference on the 30th they said that 25000 A4000
are slated of production in September. 10000 would be 060 with a licsenced
Cyberstorm (phase5) card inside and 15000 plain 040. They also have said
they plan to sell 12000-13000 A1200 this year alone (these will be made in
september also). No prices were stated. They have also setup R&D in the
ol Norristown site and in Germany and are working very closely with SCALA
and Motorolla so a PPC amiga looks likely even though they said they hadn't
made a decsision on which processor to use. Amiga Development is
continuing. YEEEHHAAAA!
    They also said SCALA MM300 will be packaged with all Amigas including
A1200's. Look's like they're really pushing the miggie into the
serious/multimedia market.


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